Huge ass list of balance suggestions

[What]

You do realize all of the comments are that those are not balance suggestions and/or are terrible ideas right?

[CYBER]

brice i'm sorry man, but this is by far the stupidest balancing sheet i've ever seen in my entire fucking life...

It's soooooo fucking stupid that i'm not even gonna bother pointing out the stupid parts, because i would literally not know where to start, and i KNOW that i might break a new wall-of-text goddamn world record in discussing the wrongness of your suggestions...


What does it matter to you anyway? you just play undead most of the time, and by removing the leech trail (like it was before) u're basically just making it the better class of the starting ones, because you can keep doing that bs leech thing that u and pie do without ppl being able to trace it back to your location...

I'm gonna walk out of this, the urge to shred through your original post is overwhelming.

[Wolfenstinger]

I'm poking at kionay's weird as fuck post just so I can make sense of it and state things that I don't like that he sees. Maybe it can change his view, IDK.

vagas as a race are fine as is, you can use eye ra to see them instead of buying something, some of the less appreciated (or harder to use) races might be encouraged to get an ability to see vagas like ra does to have an insentive to play them?

Vaga is broke as fuck. Play Rapscallion. Rapscallion is better than Vagalion, let alone Vagabond. It's like playing a Flame Predator on Steroids! (Steroids not included). But no there is some things that I already pointed out for Vaga, as far as levitation goes at least. I also still believe Vagabond is faster than Vagalion slightly because of it, but I don't know. The Levitation and Adrenaline difference do matter when you are looking for them on the live server! Even if the race is utilizing ALMOST the same code to teleport around, Vagalions aren't going to be as random as a Vagabond can be, BUT a Vagalion can teleport more often than a Vagabond could ever teleport. Because of this, I don't really care at what the Levitation and Adrenaline is set at, due to the fact everyone who plays either race adapted and are used to these values already. Changing the values WILL mess with everyone who plays either Vagalion or Vagabond.

magician restrictions i think is a bad idea, the magician only needs to die once to lose those, bird is a magician's bread and butter really

I do want to state here - Magician USED to be able to use any weapon, but would always spawn the next round with a Pump Shotty / Dualies. Might've been a bug, I don't know. I just remember leveling it back then with an M4 or a compact because I didn't like the Pump Shotty or Dualies. Now I think it's weapon kit has grown on me a bit for its skill set and to just take time on the shots rather than spraying. The Dualies are for spraying.

Levitation - as annoying as it is when it procs for the shooter and the one being shot at, it really does its part for the Magician as he could technically just be a complete tease to his enemies. Also because of the use of a Pump Shotty; being allowed that pause gives time to react to the Levitation if it procs

Crow - Cloak is stupid. Ring and Health is fine.

weblines: MAYBE 1 second, if that
evade is pretty intense, but it's the spidey's most adventageous ability (arguable i suppose)

Ok, after reading this, I realized you put the ultimate critique first, then the ability. So...... I'm doing the complete opposite because it bothers me.

Agility - Spidey's Bread n Butter. If you can bhop or even at least chain jumps, you're getting away. Evade just ENSUREs that you won't fall over and die right away. I'm not gonna lie, Evade is annoying, but its Evade. And he's Spider-man.

Web Lines - .5 sec CD like Vagabond or let us do 2 shots (a V shot like he does in the movies) with +ability or +ability1. It'd be interesting maneuvering mechanics for Spider-man

when you say "god i hate {RACE}'s {RACE_ABILITY}!" then something done right (most of the time)
each ability that makes each race a little bit OP should be able to be countered with gamesense or aim, for example just earlier today gunslinger and i were going at it, he was a vagabond i was night elf, his lack of aim, my evasion, and my aim let me win more than half the time against him

he could've killed me with just a little better aim or movement, i could've killed him more with better aim or by buying a lace (which i did later), our engagements were genuinly fun and challenging and, in my opinion, an amazing example of what engagements should be like between any given two races

flavorfull and fun, with a little bit of swaty-palm intensity that you get playing a really hard level of a video game (analogies yaaaaay)

Evade Proc = Luck of the draw. Meaning they aren't a TERRIBLE shot if they hit you, but at the same time, they still hit you. They just didn't hit you.

Now about buying laces. Personally kills MY fun in finding any vagas unless they are people like Cyber, Hypanova(Predator), Ronnie, etc...? (I don't know all the well known ones off the top of my head. I know a few old ones though! ) But its more along when you get the lace rather when you already have it. The problem with already having it is that ALL vaga players will play as if you don't have one already (round 1). By round 2, they play semi-cautiously, but not TOO cautiously because you still don't have a lace. By round 3 - we either repeat round 2 because you don't have the money OR we change our methods slightly, adjusting for laces.

Quick-bind your lace to a convenient key (like on your mouse), bait the vaga into coming into close quarters with you, click the button. If it doesn't work, you either have bad positioning and can't figure out where the vaga you are fighting is, or I just make this sound easier said then done because I try to do stupid crazy things like around the corner knifing while you have a lace. I don't know.


TL;DR - I wanted to poke at kionay's post. Poke poke.

[kionay]

Vaga is broke as fuck. Play Rapscallion. Rapscallion is better than Vagalion, let alone Vagabond. It's like playing a Flame Predator on Steroids! (Steroids not included). But no there is some things that I already pointed out for Vaga, as far as levitation goes at least. I also still believe Vagabond is faster than Vagalion slightly because of it, but I don't know. The Levitation and Adrenaline difference do matter when you are looking for them on the live server! Even if the race is utilizing ALMOST the same code to teleport around, Vagalions aren't going to be as random as a Vagabond can be, BUT a Vagalion can teleport more often than a Vagabond could ever teleport. Because of this, I don't really care at what the Levitation and Adrenaline is set at, due to the fact everyone who plays either race adapted and are used to these values already. Changing the values WILL mess with everyone who plays either Vagalion or Vagabond.

you're wolf, bar none the best vagalion player i have ever seen in my ~6 months on the server, of course you'd say vaga is OP, a knife race in your hands is OP, gunslinger (not OP but still good XD ) was fun to play against, playing against you as vaga is almost certain death :P

Crow - Cloak is stupid. Ring and Health is fine.

killing crow without cloak is incredibly easy, i mean crow IS supposed to be an 'ULTIMATE' ability, seeing a crow without a cloak is like screaming "HERE I AM, SHOOT ME!"
but i can see why this could be arguable :-/

Agility - Spidey's Bread n Butter. If you can bhop or even at least chain jumps, you're getting away. Evade just ENSUREs that you won't fall over and die right away. I'm not gonna lie, Evade is annoying, but its Evade. And he's Spider-man.

Web Lines - .5 sec CD like Vagabond or let us do 2 shots (a V shot like he does in the movies) with +ability or +ability1. It'd be interesting maneuvering mechanics for Spider-man

I can't bhop for shit, i get like 2, MAYBE 3 hops in, evade is all i have for survivability (because i'm bad with weblines too, which is why you won't see me play spidey anytime soon) and i have seen some of the craziest evade chains on spidey, tanking full P90 clips point blank

as for the cooldown i'm not sure what 'a V shot like he does in the movies' means? but the .5 to 1 second cooldowns i think is a very good idea, the ability for spidey to get to the enemy spawn before the enemy team can get OUT of spawn is pretty crazy, not to say that spidey should be significantly slower, but ffs let them leave spawn first, let there be a beginning of round cooldown or something

... aren't a TERRIBLE shot if they hit you, but at the same time, they still hit you. They just didn't hit you.

this made me chuckle

Now about buying laces. Personally kills MY fun in finding any vagas unless they are people like Cyber, Hypanova(Predator), Ronnie, etc...? (I don't know all the well known ones off the top of my head.

you can have FUN finding vagas because you're... well good :P

for myself (and according to the complaints i hear from time-to-time in-game) a vaga swimming around you is one of the most annoying and stressfull things in the game, ESPECIALLY when playing against a vaga immune to laces (read 'wolfenstinger')

when a vaga is around me i cannot predict their movements (90% of the time, mostly because i'm so bad at the game) so buying a lace is the only defense i have against them, otherwise i usually wait for them to kill me, one of my better teammates to kill them, the round to end, or one of their teammates to find us and kill me


being bad at the game doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to have fun(otherwise why am I here?), and a vaga death sentence is not fun

TL;DR - I wanted to poke at kionay's post. Poke poke.

pokin' me eh? STAHP! XD