First, my reason for not wanting to discuss Nem is actually more complicated than what you suggested, Pass. While, yes, I figured that Nem was a good choice for Cop, I more wanted to see if he would try to talk himself into a lynch. Working on the theory that there might be a werewolf around, I didn't want to push him to claim, and any form of policy is pointless, as he's proven that he won't stop acting like scum in game when the town lynch him back when that happened in WCS. However, unless he knows something we don't know, his claim that lynching one townie rather than another is still bizarre, moreso when coupled with the fact that he's still only going after someone he already went after D1, playing OMGUS with suspicion instead of voting. I don't like his play, he's often downright dangerous to the town and this game has been no different, as such, I'll follow a lead on going after him, but due to preconceived notions, I'm unwilling to start.
Also, a bit of information I'll share because I found out about it when looking over things last night. Garth being deputy suggests that Bobby is the cop. As I understand it, Garth takes over for Bobby. Reason I bring this up, is this way we can be wary of non-Bobby cop claims.
Onto the problems with Sin. Some of these have been said before, but: early, unsolicited claiming of VT can look like trying to get a fake claim out of the way. It's a gamble, but if you're just a Goon, you bus yourself so can save your power roles for night and just lose a goon. Also, if a fellow scum jumps the vote early, it can work to clear them. B: More hidden VTs means more targets that the scum have to choose between to hit a power role. C: By witholding the information, it can be used to counter claim another fake claim. D: For his particular case, he asked for a mass claim, while claiming VT. Mass claiming is dangerous, a non-cleared player asking for massclaim in a closed setup is beyond dangerous. Werewolves, cult instead of mafia (remember, demons posses people), counter claiming cop or doc can end up doubly screwed, you're depending on out racing night kills when you have given away all your secret. His first play was dangerous, but beyond that, he's been mostly trustworthy in my eyes.
My lack of activity day 1 was due to boredom mostly. Watching it devolve into a copy of prison break's day 1, with Nem still being scummy but everyone still wanting to wave their sticks at a policy lynch. This time it was even against the suggestion of others. Sadly, wasn't on for the final votes, but so goes life and sleep. As for day 2, I was here at the start, and didn't wake up till 2 hours before this post. Also, if you don't think I'll bus my allies, boy, you've got another thing comingBut seriously, I try to steer the town towards the most scummy player, no matter which side they are on. The problem is, it often is town players, just due to sheer numbers and various people's questionable plays.
Kion: a note for future games, while day 1 is only speculation, you don't want to lynch ANYONE before they can full claim if you can avoid it, especially day 1. It's also a bad idea to feel pressured into a vote, moreso if you're hammering it, because it will get you suspicion.
Sin, a problem with it being the horsemen: Lucifer was not needing their loyalty, he was dealing with them. Famine, he gave demons to in order to feed him. Pestilence, he had workers for. That one guy had the job of making sure the horsemen had whatever they wanted. It would seem more that Lucifer would have to prove to THEM, but the only one that would have cared was bound (death). In other words, I think the horsemen are a dead end for that kill at least. Also, on roles, Actor can only hammer, Priest cannot hammer. One who cannot initiate I don't believe is an official role, but they are out there.
Kion, it's only a bad thing if you are a Cop and Mikey figured it out
Also, Mikey, unless you feel 100% sure on there being no WW, be wary of claiming a role for someone else. Probably best not to try to out a cop who probably found an innocent in any case, just play along instead.
Side note: Tomorrow is my dad's birthday, so my presence then will be spotty, but I'll be here.
Originally Posted by ZERO
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