I once left ibis, we also took 10 plus admins with us, (zero got mad which rarely happens), made and ran a couple clans(before I was ever an admin here but devoted 2 year reg) ... I came back, redevoted, now I'm clan... I will watch this play out...., but major points lost. I respect the initial come back... as well as apologize to you for some unneeded words. I still love turtles and fury.

Maybe, just a tiny bit, we should look at ourselves and community. ibis forever.