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[CYBER]

yes its a glitch, no its not TOO op considering the cost and other sucky features of magician.
but i actually wouldnt mind if the crow was 95% invis, that 5 % actually makes a huge fucking difference.

note to ppl, when i see that someone is procking crow too often, i either switch to shadow hunter and fuck him up, but i almost usually carry a spare nade with me, and search for the crow near objective before its health is maxxed, or just camp a corner near objective waiting for it to come for me in a narrow path.

edit: mikey , dnt wry, its already been reported

[brett friggin favre]

let me add this about magician: they're invis, can have 100 hp, AND cannot be snared by roots/medusa.

also people like rev maynard are able to do this 4-5 times a round usually.

[Zim]

For the cloak it has it set so you become more invisible with knife out. Could we have it set where bird is completely invisible (current situation) with knife out, and slight visibility with gun out? This would force the bird to either stay mobile when shooting or get in close to knife the human. Shotgun spray at close range to kill, but still a worthy challenging class for other races, right?

It's pretty easy to sit in the corner of a ceiling and stare at the bomb with only your knife out, occasionally taking the pistol out to headshot someone and returning to the knife. A similiar concept with the hosties, pick a random corner to camp in and be next to impossible to find while the hosties take their sweet time jogging to the safezone.

[maynard]

the crow being 100% invis is a glitch.....

[Chef C Green]

It's pretty easy to sit in the corner of a ceiling and stare at the bomb with only your knife out, occasionally taking the pistol out to headshot someone and returning to the knife. A similiar concept with the hosties, pick a random corner to camp in and be next to impossible to find while the hosties take their sweet time jogging to the safezone.

The opposing side can use Big Bad Voodoo or Molecule as soon as pistol shots are fired, and look for the source. At that point it's pistol vs. whatever primary you have on hand. And if he goes invisible by switching over to knife, won't the bird have a blood trail like vagabonds do when they get hit for you to follow?

Also, if a bird is camping, you can still use medusa's gaze or entangling roots to identify if they're camping (even if they can glide out of it, it still targets them). Simply shoot in that general vicinity as soon as you activate it to get a blood trail going.

Another way could be using flaming stike and radian's ultimate would give you a target (in the case of the former), or a path to the target (in the case of the latter).

Lastly, use smoke bombs / flashbangs like you would normally (nothing in rules against using hunter smokes at objectives, just wards?) This can give you cover as well as damage.

There may be other counter measures / flaws in some of these, but there's always a way to fish out a camper.

[maynard]

once again... IT'S A GLITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

it will be fixed.

the ring is not meant 2 make anything 100% invis...

[Zim]

Thank you. In the meantime, should we tell someone not to do it, or just let them exploit the glitch?

The opposing side can use Big Bad Voodoo or Molecule as soon as pistol shots are fired, and look for the source. At that point it's pistol vs. whatever primary you have on hand. And if he goes invisible by switching over to knife, won't the bird have a blood trail like vagabonds do when they get hit for you to follow?

Also, if a bird is camping, you can still use medusa's gaze or entangling roots to identify if they're camping (even if they can glide out of it, it still targets them). Simply shoot in that general vicinity as soon as you activate it to get a blood trail going.

Another way could be using flaming stike and radian's ultimate would give you a target (in the case of the former), or a path to the target (in the case of the latter).

Lastly, use smoke bombs / flashbangs like you would normally (nothing in rules against using hunter smokes at objectives, just wards?) This can give you cover as well as damage.

Besides the hunters' grenades, which don't necessarily have good coverage, this whole argument is countered by the face that birds can buy laces too. No ultimate would work on the crow and no enemy ultimate would work when the crow is in the given proximity of an enemy character.

[Chef C Green]

the ring is not meant 2 make anything 100% invis...

cloak, right?

Besides the hunters' grenades, which don't necessarily have good coverage, this whole argument is countered by the face that birds can buy laces too. No ultimate would work on the crow and no enemy ultimate would work when the crow is in the given proximity of an enemy character.

True, though hunter grenades (or regular smokes), should give enough coverage to hide a bomb site or 2 hostages long enough to defuse w/ kit or talk to them and run outta the room, I agree the lace poses a problem. However, you're adding more and more money every time you buy something (w/o lace, you have ultimates to kill bird, w/o cloak you shoot it, w/o ring you can spray + pray). For a 1 round trick, yes it's powerful, but certainly killable.

If this gets fixed however, the cloak should still be purchasable. As the hitbox is small, 85-95% invisibility as Cyber mentioned sounds reasonable?

[maynard]

yeah.

[Spasm]

cloak, right?



True, though hunter grenades (or regular smokes), should give enough coverage to hide a bomb site or 2 hostages long enough to defuse w/ kit or talk to them and run outta the room, I agree the lace poses a problem. However, you're adding more and more money every time you buy something (w/o lace, you have ultimates to kill bird, w/o cloak you shoot it, w/o ring you can spray + pray). For a 1 round trick, yes it's powerful, but certainly killable.

If this gets fixed however, the cloak should still be purchasable. As the hitbox is small, 85-95% invisibility as Cyber mentioned sounds reasonable?

Willing to bet the bird is not supposed to have any items whatsoever and all items get restricted when in bird form.