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[Chef C Green]

It's a bit disappointing when you are 1v5, you kill 4 of them and an invisible crow saves the hosties and wins the round.
I disagree about it barely procing, I've been playing the WCS kind of a lot lately and about 80% of the time I see someone playing Magician, they are a crow.

Reasons why Magician Crow is NOT OP:

1) Crow only has CHANCE of being activated after dying (not 100% every death).
2) Buying Ring + Cloak is 7k I believe, certainly too much to be played EVERY round even if you win each round. (Plus still vulnerable to ultimates like Lightning Strike/Flame Strike/ Void, etc..)
3) With the addition of lace to bypass the above ultimates, that's no 12k for a well rounded bird... even harder to keep doing.
4) Knife and gun are still visible (learn to LOOK CLOSELY >.<)
5) The bird is rather difficult to fly unless the map is very open, so being able to clutch by planting bomb / getting hostages in time can be difficult.
6) The above reasons are MORE than enough IMHO...

Agreeing with zim here, its more of an exploit then anything. The bird is completely invis, not cloaked. I don't think the ring or health is an issue, its the fact that cloak makes the bird completely invisible. What I see now is mostly players who suck playing it on the losing team. They save all their cash for the bird then go ring cloak and health. It is almost impossible to kill them. Fix the cloak issue and I am happy.

With respect to the invisible issue, I interject with reasons 2 and 4 above... Also, FAGABOND and RAPESCALION are invisible as well... Cloak in general is an item that requires a substantial amount of cash to buy, and even with this item you need to be adept at maneuvering with the bird at (1) hp w/o the ring or health... Rather than wandering into the open, try looking up the last guy's playerinfo and seeing if he's magician... odds are you'll be more cautious which (I would hope) would lead to you killing "players who suck" as they... well suck (according to you ).

[Spasm]

Reasons why Magician Crow is NOT OP:

1) Crow only has CHANCE of being activated after dying (not 100% every death).
2) Buying Ring + Cloak is 7k I believe, certainly too much to be played EVERY round even if you win each round. (Plus still vulnerable to ultimates like Lightning Strike/Flame Strike/ Void, etc..)
3) With the addition of lace to bypass the above ultimates, that's no 12k for a well rounded bird... even harder to keep doing.
4) Knife and gun are still visible (learn to LOOK CLOSELY >.<)
5) The bird is rather difficult to fly unless the map is very open, so being able to clutch by planting bomb / getting hostages in time can be difficult.
6) The above reasons are MORE than enough IMHO...



With respect to the invisible issue, I interject with reasons 2 and 4 above... Also, FAGABOND and RAPESCALION are invisible as well... Cloak in general is an item that requires a substantial amount of cash to buy, and even with this item you need to be adept at maneuvering with the bird at (1) hp w/o the ring or health... Rather than wandering into the open, try looking up the last guy's playerinfo and seeing if he's magician... odds are you'll be more cautious which (I would hope) would lead to you killing "players who suck" as they... well suck (according to you ).

It's a glitch, promise you. I bet if Zero sees this thread he will say the bird being invisible with the cloak is a glitch. How long have you been around anyways? 3 months? Your input shouldn't hold any merit what so ever. Regardless of what any of you think the bird is not working as intended. One more thing... if your good with wcs flying is actually pretty damn easy, bird, archmage, w/e your using.

[Chef C Green]

It's a glitch, promise you. I bet if Zero sees this thread he will say the bird being invisible with the cloak is a glitch. How long have you been around anyways? 3 months? Your input shouldn't hold any merit what so ever. Regardless of what any of you think the bird is not working as intended. One more thing... if your good with wcs flying is actually pretty damn easy, bird, archmage, w/e your using.

I recognize that I'm not an old player, and admittedly I've only started playing WCS server these past 2 weeks (maybe 3 i'm not sure to be honest). That being said, I've unlocked ALL races in that time, and have had time to play Magician and crow, as well as examine the weaknesses I've discussed above.

Whether or not it WAS or WAS NOT in past able to become invisible is irrelevant in my argument, I am simply stating ways that the crow ability is no more over powered than other various races on the server.

As for the flying, I am not saying that a pro like Immune, Aleko, or even you wouldn't be able to fly the crow more than adequately in confined quarters, however, the issue here is not pros, it's "players that suck"... if they suck, then they wouldn't be flying other classes or crow very well, thus slowing down their pace, and thereby having them get to the objective in time less likely.

So to clarify, Crow seems to have plenty of faults that make it no more or less OP than other races.

EDIT: Took out negative comments aimed to flame at one player.

[Spasm]

I recognize that I'm not an old player, and admittedly I've only started playing WCS server these past 2 weeks (maybe 3 i'm not sure to be honest). That being said, I've unlocked ALL races in that time, and have had time to play Magician and crow, as well as examine the weaknesses I've discussed above. Despite my "3 months" of activity, I feel that being a member of this community alone gives me the right to put in my personal views Spasm... Using my time in server without taking into consideration what I'm stating or what I have done in server seems rather... closed-minded .

Whether or not it WAS or WAS NOT in past able to become invisible is irrelevant in my argument, I am simply stating ways that the crow ability is no more over powered than other various races on the server.

As for the flying, I am not saying that a pro like Immune, Aleko, or even you wouldn't be able to fly the crow more than adequately in confined quarters, however, the issue here is not pros, it's "players that suck" as you yourself stated... if they suck, then they wouldn't be flying other classes or crow very well, thus slowing down their pace, and thereby having them get to the objective in time less likely.

So to clarify my point (no matter how much "merit" you feel it holds), Crow seems to have plenty of faults that make it no more or less OP than other races.

You have no merit because you obviously don't know how to counter vagabond. You mentioned raps in your earlier post and raps is one of the easiest races to counter. They are balanced around being invisible, this race is not. In fact, I doubt Zero had any intent of the race even being able to buy those items as a bird. Bird is supposed to be a fun skill for magician, not a 1v9 kill everyone because its glitched.

[Steamer]

100% Cloak is glitch. Could care less to read anything else.

[Chef C Green]

You have no merit because you obviously don't know how to counter vagabond. You mentioned raps in your earlier post and raps is one of the easiest races to counter. They are balanced around being invisible, this race is not. In fact, I doubt Zero had any intent of the race even being able to buy those items as a bird. Bird is supposed to be a fun skill for magician, not a 1v9 kill everyone because its glitched.

Vagabond = Buy lace and use flashlight to see/ lace will trap vagabond if they pass over you.
Rapscalion = Although they are invisible they cannot move so you can either shoot a bullet along hallways and look for blood spatters (typically they go near bomb sites/ hostage areas eliminating 90% of the map). As for actually finding them other than that, I can't say honestly , I just try to stand clear of areas that seem close quarters where I couldn't walk around them.

I felt that going over those defects is not needed as they do have their faults JUST LIKE THE CROW. They are not impossible to beat, and neither is the crow. On the rare occasion that you trick out the crow (cloak+ring+lace+helm), sure you can win, but that's one round and then you need to get money again. Isn't Vagabond potent as well if you soup him up with items? What if you used those items with archmage or dragonfly?

Why does it matter if it is different from the old race code for Magician? If cloak were taken away, you are left with a 1hp bird that is completely visible to humans... crow is almost useless at that point other than running the bomb/ hostages if (like you said) you are an adept flyer. But at that point, a spray in the general direction will most likely kill it.

[CYBER]

the cloak is a glitch for sure.
however, im actually pleased with this glitch.
keep in mind that i only have a lv 10 magician, i almost never play the race , and i only got on bird 3 times in the last year... so im being objective. but magician is pretty much useless otherwise... its VERY expensive to buy the "equipment" needed for the crow to be strong, and its only a chance to proc.. other than that? the magician's ult is retarded as fuck with a too long cooldown, and yeah, magician sucks nway. im cool the way it is, dnt rly care much nway. kudos to the people who learned to benefit from the crow, exploit or not, that was a smart move.

[Spasm]

All I am saying is make it cloak like normal instead of complete invis, problem solved.

[Chef C Green]

All I am saying is make it cloak like normal instead of complete invis, problem solved.

For the cloak it has it set so you become more invisible with knife out. Could we have it set where bird is completely invisible (current situation) with knife out, and slight visibility with gun out? This would force the bird to either stay mobile when shooting or get in close to knife the human. Shotgun spray at close range to kill, but still a worthy challenging class for other races, right?

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

Vagabond = Buy lace and use flashlight to see/ lace will trap vagabond if they pass over you.
Rapscalion = Although they are invisible they cannot move so you can either shoot a bullet along hallways and look for blood spatters (typically they go near bomb sites/ hostage areas eliminating 90% of the map). As for actually finding them other than that, I can't say honestly , I just try to stand clear of areas that seem close quarters where I couldn't walk around them.

I felt that going over those defects is not needed as they do have their faults JUST LIKE THE CROW. They are not impossible to beat, and neither is the crow. On the rare occasion that you trick out the crow (cloak+ring+lace+helm), sure you can win, but that's one round and then you need to get money again. Isn't Vagabond potent as well if you soup him up with items? What if you used those items with archmage or dragonfly?

Why does it matter if it is different from the old race code for Magician? If cloak were taken away, you are left with a 1hp bird that is completely visible to humans... crow is almost useless at that point other than running the bomb/ hostages if (like you said) you are an adept flyer. But at that point, a spray in the general direction will most likely kill it.

List 2

1. Difference: Vaga and rap are stationary when invisible.

2. 100% invis birds are a bug, therefore it is being exploited by the mass.

3. It might not be every single round that a player gets this benefit but it is bad non the less

4. using the "You can still see the 70% invis gun and knife" line as an acceptable Rebuttal to this issue would in fact, relate it perfectly with Nebula who has a 50x bigger hit box.

5. ???????

6. Profit

Edit: 7. This issue dosnt belong in the rules section as it is a bug and should be reported in its race thread!