WCS Rules

[Chef C Green]

You have no merit because you obviously don't know how to counter vagabond. You mentioned raps in your earlier post and raps is one of the easiest races to counter. They are balanced around being invisible, this race is not. In fact, I doubt Zero had any intent of the race even being able to buy those items as a bird. Bird is supposed to be a fun skill for magician, not a 1v9 kill everyone because its glitched.

Vagabond = Buy lace and use flashlight to see/ lace will trap vagabond if they pass over you.
Rapscalion = Although they are invisible they cannot move so you can either shoot a bullet along hallways and look for blood spatters (typically they go near bomb sites/ hostage areas eliminating 90% of the map). As for actually finding them other than that, I can't say honestly , I just try to stand clear of areas that seem close quarters where I couldn't walk around them.

I felt that going over those defects is not needed as they do have their faults JUST LIKE THE CROW. They are not impossible to beat, and neither is the crow. On the rare occasion that you trick out the crow (cloak+ring+lace+helm), sure you can win, but that's one round and then you need to get money again. Isn't Vagabond potent as well if you soup him up with items? What if you used those items with archmage or dragonfly?

Why does it matter if it is different from the old race code for Magician? If cloak were taken away, you are left with a 1hp bird that is completely visible to humans... crow is almost useless at that point other than running the bomb/ hostages if (like you said) you are an adept flyer. But at that point, a spray in the general direction will most likely kill it.

[CYBER]

the cloak is a glitch for sure.
however, im actually pleased with this glitch.
keep in mind that i only have a lv 10 magician, i almost never play the race , and i only got on bird 3 times in the last year... so im being objective. but magician is pretty much useless otherwise... its VERY expensive to buy the "equipment" needed for the crow to be strong, and its only a chance to proc.. other than that? the magician's ult is retarded as fuck with a too long cooldown, and yeah, magician sucks nway. im cool the way it is, dnt rly care much nway. kudos to the people who learned to benefit from the crow, exploit or not, that was a smart move.

[Spasm]

All I am saying is make it cloak like normal instead of complete invis, problem solved.

[Chef C Green]

All I am saying is make it cloak like normal instead of complete invis, problem solved.

For the cloak it has it set so you become more invisible with knife out. Could we have it set where bird is completely invisible (current situation) with knife out, and slight visibility with gun out? This would force the bird to either stay mobile when shooting or get in close to knife the human. Shotgun spray at close range to kill, but still a worthy challenging class for other races, right?

[CYBER]

yes its a glitch, no its not TOO op considering the cost and other sucky features of magician.
but i actually wouldnt mind if the crow was 95% invis, that 5 % actually makes a huge fucking difference.

note to ppl, when i see that someone is procking crow too often, i either switch to shadow hunter and fuck him up, but i almost usually carry a spare nade with me, and search for the crow near objective before its health is maxxed, or just camp a corner near objective waiting for it to come for me in a narrow path.

edit: mikey , dnt wry, its already been reported

[brett friggin favre]

let me add this about magician: they're invis, can have 100 hp, AND cannot be snared by roots/medusa.

also people like rev maynard are able to do this 4-5 times a round usually.

[Zim]

For the cloak it has it set so you become more invisible with knife out. Could we have it set where bird is completely invisible (current situation) with knife out, and slight visibility with gun out? This would force the bird to either stay mobile when shooting or get in close to knife the human. Shotgun spray at close range to kill, but still a worthy challenging class for other races, right?

It's pretty easy to sit in the corner of a ceiling and stare at the bomb with only your knife out, occasionally taking the pistol out to headshot someone and returning to the knife. A similiar concept with the hosties, pick a random corner to camp in and be next to impossible to find while the hosties take their sweet time jogging to the safezone.

[maynard]

the crow being 100% invis is a glitch.....

[Chef C Green]

It's pretty easy to sit in the corner of a ceiling and stare at the bomb with only your knife out, occasionally taking the pistol out to headshot someone and returning to the knife. A similiar concept with the hosties, pick a random corner to camp in and be next to impossible to find while the hosties take their sweet time jogging to the safezone.

The opposing side can use Big Bad Voodoo or Molecule as soon as pistol shots are fired, and look for the source. At that point it's pistol vs. whatever primary you have on hand. And if he goes invisible by switching over to knife, won't the bird have a blood trail like vagabonds do when they get hit for you to follow?

Also, if a bird is camping, you can still use medusa's gaze or entangling roots to identify if they're camping (even if they can glide out of it, it still targets them). Simply shoot in that general vicinity as soon as you activate it to get a blood trail going.

Another way could be using flaming stike and radian's ultimate would give you a target (in the case of the former), or a path to the target (in the case of the latter).

Lastly, use smoke bombs / flashbangs like you would normally (nothing in rules against using hunter smokes at objectives, just wards?) This can give you cover as well as damage.

There may be other counter measures / flaws in some of these, but there's always a way to fish out a camper.

[maynard]

once again... IT'S A GLITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

it will be fixed.

the ring is not meant 2 make anything 100% invis...