Too many wrongful bans on legit players.

[Jeimuzu]

Wall Hacking is a touchy subject simply because it is usually hard to find. I would suggest creating demos and uploading them here in the ban requests section.

[Tickle Me Emo]

Wall Hacking is a touchy subject simply because it is usually hard to find. I would suggest creating demos and uploading them here in the ban requests section.

I would +1 this about one million times over. I've seen a lot of threads in Bans where the demo is iffy. Even if it is determined that a player is hacking, if it's not obvious I really don't think the call should be made without demo review, unless a clan member okays it or, in the future when the admin "seniority" system is in place, a senior admin perhaps.

I know people say that this allows a potential hacker to keep playing in the server, but ultimately, I don't think that's much of a price to pay if it's not blatant anyways, and we're not banning legit good players. A lot of the people who I see banned that end up unbanned later are no better than myself, if not worse, and it just makes me wonder what might happen to me if I weren't an admin.

I've been banned from random servers before, and I've always just moved on to a new server - I have no reason to attempt to stay around a server with "noob" admins (as I always think at the time) willing to ban so readily, when I can pick from a huge list of CS servers. This is the mindset of many people who play CS, and is a serious threat to the health and competitiveness of our community.

[Spasm]

I would +1 this about one million times over. I've seen a lot of threads in Bans where the demo is iffy. Even if it is determined that a player is hacking, if it's not obvious I really don't think the call should be made without demo review, unless a clan member okays it or, in the future when the admin "seniority" system is in place, a senior admin perhaps.

I know people say that this allows a potential hacker to keep playing in the server, but ultimately, I don't think that's much of a price to pay if it's not blatant anyways, and we're not banning legit good players. A lot of the people who I see banned that end up unbanned later are no better than myself, if not worse, and it just makes me wonder what might happen to me if I weren't an admin.

I've been banned from random servers before, and I've always just moved on to a new server - I have no reason to attempt to stay around a server with "noob" admins (as I always think at the time) willing to ban so readily, when I can pick from a huge list of CS servers. This is the mindset of many people who play CS, and is a serious threat to the health and competitiveness of our community.

+1 pretty much my thoughts exactly.

[[UA] Mos Def]

Good Post Spasm.....I have tried really hard to get over being the boy who cried wolf, and honestly it is hard for me, but I think slowly I am becoming more reasonable and more cognizant of the fact there are just really good players out there and I am not yet one of them (soon my friends, soon)!

I don't think any "iffy," demos should warrant a ban. And actually I would say that there needs to be at least two demos (if it isn't blatant) to even consider a perma ban.

Unfortunately I do think there are players in ibis (and everywhere for the matter) that are very good at toggling and are getting away with hacking. It sucks, but I suppose that is the nature of the game. I have always looked at consistency and I see players winning three games in a row, then the next three going 11-25. I find that to be curious. I understand people have bad rounds, but I don't see players like you spasm or baby, or any of the other top rated players having more than one (Maybe two) bad rounds in a row before you are on top again. I have a few demos of an unmentioned player who consistently gets 5 kills in one round, then doesn't get another kill for 4 rounds, then gets 5 kills in a single round again....I find that fishy and I don't chalk that up to dumb luck.....

At any rate spasm you are right.....The ibis community rocks, lets keep it that way!!

[XX0wnsXY]

I don't think any "iffy," demos should warrant a ban. And actually I would say that there needs to be at least two demos (if it isn't blatant) to even consider a perma ban.

I have a few demos of an unmentioned player who consistently gets 5 kills in one round, then doesn't get another kill for 4 rounds, then gets 5 kills in a single round again....I find that fishy and I don't chalk that up to dumb luck.....

Actually, I do that quite often. I know you've accused me of hacking before, and your reasoning was exactly that, that I wasn't consistent enough for your liking. Honestly, I think I'm pretty consistent. I almost always have a posititive K/D and the times that I don't, I'm usually pre occupied.

What you call "fishy" just isn't enough to blatantly accuse someone of hacking, which I've seen you do many times. If you truly think someone is hacking then get a demo and post it for review, like I told wagner... but otherwise all you do when you call someone a hacker 20 times in one round is boost their ego.

[hallwagner]

totally agreed. although i may call some1 a hacker 24/7, they know i'm joking. the only person i've called a hacker and meant it was that hackdraft fuck, who i was pretty certain used no-recoil for 1 or 2 maps. on top wrongful bans being an issue, we need to focus on the aftermath of these admins that dont know what theyre doing. i know for a fact theres at least 5-10 players waiting to be unbanned because some dumbass admin wrongfully thought they were hacking. like ive said before, thats a good way to lose community members/customers w/e. i wouldnt want to wait around to get unbanned for a month just because some retard admin banned me for no reason. its unattractive to players, and makes ibis look like a noob clan. we dont want that

[Spasm]

Hobo has as much credit as I do. Therefore not respecting him is like disrespecting me. D=

He was doing his job and did exactly what I have done, and what I would have done. It is better to be safe than sorry when it comes to hackers.. But as I've said before, wallhacking is a tricky one. Kavinsky provided a demo for us to kindly share our opinions about, meaning he did nothing wrong either.

Unless it's ZM, it's not that usual that people have 26-0..

I was wrong, ban all you want, don't watch demos, take a regulars word, it's better safer then sorry, send the good players away guys.

[mag36]

Im starting to think instead of doing perma bans it might be best to only have 3 to 5 day bans.......and that should give us enough time to get evidence to look over and decide....... and if we are all still undecided the ban is up and if really found guilty then we perma them.

I would think of it like getting arrested and having to wait for court appearance. Just there is no bail... Hmm or could there?

Far as controlling all the new admins from banning...... first 3 month admins shouldnt have the power to perma ban people...... and first month admins not have the the power to ban at all.

Higher privedges are earned instead of just given. If possible thats how I would do it

[Jeimuzu]

I was wrong, ban all you want, don't watch demos, take a regulars word, it's better safer then sorry, send the good players away guys.

I'll be as polite as I possibly can about this.. You need to take a chill pill. Nor Hobo or I intend to ban anyone without good reason. Kavinsky was a reliable source, someone who you could trust if he said there was a person breaking barricades or team killing. There are many people like this. I believe someone also mentioned that 4-5 people agreed with him on the server.. Let me find the post.

I was in the game where you went 26-1 and there were two admins on both of which I believe got a demo and supposedly were going to post it.......I think one of them was mikey, and I can't remember the other one....Either way I could care less what happens to you, I wasn't the only one who thought you were being shady....I don't know what kavinsky's demo looks like, but again enough people, including admins (after spec'ing and getting demos) saw fit to ban you, so that is enough for me.

Was the demo provided? Let's see my next post..

You guys spam too much.. That needs to stop.

Player should be unbanned.

If it helps, I'll rephrase what I've said.

He was doing his job and did exactly what I have done, and what I would have done. There are some people you can trust to keep an eye out for you.. But as I've said before, wallhacking is a tricky one. Kavinsky has a demo for us to kindly share our opinions about.

^ That is my intended message. Not the "BAN FUCKING EVERYONE CAUSE THEY"RE DOING BETTER THAN MEZ!" impression you may have gotten earlier.

[maynard]

even if it is determined that a player is hacking, if it's not obvious i really don't think the call should be made without demo review

+1000000

like I said before, admins should stand by there decisions 100%. unless you're 100% the person hacks, don't ban him.

mag , u always have the wisest words:P

not true, he stole my wise words from 2 months ago lol. but as I originally said the TOS should be changed so new admins are on a probation period with limited admin privs, and far harsher punishments for those who buy admin and just fuck around right away.