002 Human Alliance [0] v1.1.0

[Spasm]

My suggestion: Remove the BANISH EFFECT of the bash, and increase the bash freeze time by 50%. (make it closer to a second and a half rather than the current 1 second).

WHY you ask? to compensate removing the banish effect. A 1.5s bash that procs at the current rate is more than handy to be used in the same manner against the above mentionned victim races, but AT LEAST THE ENEMY HAS A CHANCE TO AIM AND RETALIATE WHILE FROZEN WITHOUT HAVING A LOCKED CROSSHAIR.

Anyone in favor/

It shouldn't need to be compensated just because the skill is fixed. If zero can't fix it then I do think it needs to be removed. As long as bash works correctly i.e. just freezing you, it will still be more then effective agaisnt vagas. It's one thing to play against a race thats good like molecule. With molecule you can play to counter it, with human one bash glitch proc and your dead on almost any race.

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[QUOTE=Spasm;145401]It shouldn't need to be compensated just because the skill is fixed. If zero can't fix it then I do think it needs to be removed. As long as bash works correctly i.e. just freezing you, it will still be more then effective agaisnt vagas. It's one thing to play against a race thats good like molecule. With molecule you can play to counter it, with human one bash glitch proc and your dead on almost any race.[/QUOTE

I only suggested the increase of 50% freezetime on bash just to find middle grounds between zero and the rest of us, so that this issue at least moves SOMEWHERE. I dont think i would mind being frozen for 1.5 seconds as long as i am able to counter-attack.

but as far as logic goes? you're right, 1 sec freeze is more than enough to fuck up most races, SPECIALLY if you take into account the possibility of bash procing more than once and stacking.

ZERO, please man, this is a real problem.

[Spasm]

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It shouldn't need to be compensated just because the skill is fixed. If zero can't fix it then I do think it needs to be removed. As long as bash works correctly i.e. just freezing you, it will still be more then effective agaisnt vagas. It's one thing to play against a race thats good like molecule. With molecule you can play to counter it, with human one bash glitch proc and your dead on almost any race.[/QUOTE

I only suggested the increase of 50% freezetime on bash just to find middle grounds between zero and the rest of us, so that this issue at least moves SOMEWHERE. I dont think i would mind being frozen for 1.5 seconds as long as i am able to counter-attack.

but as far as logic goes? you're right, 1 sec freeze is more than enough to fuck up most races, SPECIALLY if you take into account the possibility of bash procing more than once and stacking.

ZERO, please man, this is a real problem.

Most people want it either fixed or nerfed, the only people that would want a 50% increase to bash time is the people that play nothing but the race. I applaud you for supporting me, but don't take things out of context. Even if bash worked 100 percent correctly I would still make a great case for it still being the best race.

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Most people want it either fixed or nerfed, the only people that would want a 50% increase to bash time is the people that play nothing but the race. I applaud you for supporting me, but don't take things out of context. Even if bash worked 100 percent correctly I would still make a great case for it still being the best race.

like i said, for me i dont play human all the time, or in excess *cough* britney, tom, YOU etc...*
I prefer to play vagas, crypt lords, nebulas, shadow hunter, MAYBE molecule (respectively).

The ONLY times i ever play human is when my team is dead useless in countering other very strong races and i am forced to play the race to balance shit out and counter them, or if the map is similar to dolls, and both vagas on my team are taken...

And yet, i still see that the race's bash needs fixing or nerfing, even if it is the sole reason why i would play human in the first place.
It is actually NOT in my interest to have the bash get the 50% increase in freezetime, as it be even harder to play against using my above mentionned preferred races, I merely suggested it because it just feels like this issue is being ignored for fear the race would be a lot weaker... althought im sure it will still hold its own more than enough.

edit: spasm/ da fuck did u do to the "post quoting" that fucked both ur post and mine ?-.-

[Erdenay]

Most people want it either fixed or nerfed, the only people that would want a 50% increase to bash time is the people that play nothing but the race. I applaud you for supporting me, but don't take things out of context. Even if bash worked 100 percent correctly I would still make a great case for it still being the best race.

Agreed. Even if banish would be out of bash, it would still be one of the best, if not the best race in the server.

like i said, for me i dont play human all the time, or in excess *cough* britney, tom, YOU etc...*
I prefer to play vagas, crypt lords, nebulas, shadow hunter, MAYBE molecule (respectively).

The ONLY times i ever play human is when my team is dead useless in countering other very strong races and i am forced to play the race to balance shit out and counter them, or if the map is similar to dolls, and both vagas on my team are taken...

And yet, i still see that the race's bash needs fixing or nerfing, even if it is the sole reason why i would play human in the first place.
It is actually NOT in my interest to have the bash get the 50% increase in freezetime, as it be even harder to play against using my above mentionned preferred races, I merely suggested it because it just feels like this issue is being ignored for fear the race would be a lot weaker... althought im sure it will still hold its own more than enough.

edit: spasm/ da fuck did u do to the "post quoting" that fucked both ur post and mine ?-.-

Britney mostly plays spider and seldomly plays human. Recently, I've barely used human as well - as I've had much more fun using other races to help my team OR human wasn't working and I was forced to use nebula or some other race like that.

As far as your suggestion making it worse for those races... No, incorrect. The only race that would be in a worse state as before would be vaga... And it's not like now it's that difficult to kill them. All of the other races would become stronger counters. There's no need for an increased timer for bash - just take out the banish.

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Britney mostly plays spider and seldomly plays human.


vaga... And it's not like now it's that difficult to kill them. All of the other races would become stronger counters. There's no need for an increased timer for bash - just take out the banish.

1- britney hasnt played spidey since it got nerfed. heck i was just talking to her and she confirms it (u know, other than the fact i've seen it with my own eyes for a while...), just an fyi.

2- i concur with the second part. vagas arent that hard to hunt: me , u, britney, and some others are actually some of the BETTER (maybe not best), but BETTER vaga hunters if we play right. Human has jack shit to do with it, except that it just adds a bit more "obstacles" with the current bash...
but i do agree with both of u that bash on its own is more than enough. again, i suggested the 50% increase in time just in case someone needed middle ground.

[Spasm]

1- britney hasnt played spidey since it got nerfed. heck i was just talking to her and she confirms it (u know, other than the fact i've seen it with my own eyes for a while...), just an fyi.

2- i concur with the second part. vagas arent that hard to hunt: me , u, britney, and some others are actually some of the BETTER (maybe not best), but BETTER vaga hunters if we play right. Human has jack shit to do with it, except that it just adds a bit more "obstacles" with the current bash...
but i do agree with both of u that bash on its own is more than enough. again, i suggested the 50% increase in time just in case someone needed middle ground.

When I play vaga it's not the bash that gets me usually, its the invis.

[Masskid]

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When I play vaga it's not the bash that gets me usually, its the invis.

then u're not playing vaga right.
yeah. i said it whorebiscuit.
go back to ur medieval human and molecule races, and camp inside, that's all you can do when I'm on my good vaga days.
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[Steamer]

Orb Of Frost....

*Walks away and whistles*