deLiGHT <3, 5/3/12, 5:40 pm EDT, STEAM_0:0:26279260

[brett friggin favre]

Im down with that and thanks for the insight cyber. I just find the fishy spos I see combined with his disregard of where people arent, even though they usually are, plus the two vac bans...its just too much for my liking

[Steamer]

As I said, demo's are inconclusive (well for sure solid tying proof). I would like for Zero's and clans though on the KAC ban and relation, AGAIN, imho, that is grounds enough for a permanent removal from our servers, just sucks we can't get legit proof for a steam ban. I will not vote on this thread, as there is no third inconclusive option, as I do believe he does, but just the proof.... KAC is entirely different than the topic of this poll.

[brett friggin favre]

well i figure you can never have too much info. digging more, he's part of this steam group, http://steamcommunity.com/groups/GakksFriend
the admin/patriarch of that group is vac banned, has a kac ban for drawothermodels and multiple aimbot and bhop accusations (147) according to his steam profile.

relations to people with vac bans, 2 vac bans of his own...along with the kac ban as steamer is making sure we don't forget just saying there's a sizeable mountain of evidence that does not help this guy at all.

[Steamer]

open script violation

K A C BAN

[SCRIBBLE]

The senior admins at steam bans would have enough proof in these demos for a permaban, but the term "conclusive" is subjective in regards to grounds for a permaban here at IBIS and seems to be more along the lines of a crosshair tracing playermodel situation, which is asinine.

[Steamer]

The senior admins at steam bans would have enough proof in these demos for a permaban, but the term "conclusive" is subjective in regards to grounds for a permaban here at IBIS and seems to be more along the lines of a crosshair tracing playermodel situation, which is asinine.

This is true, but those "rules" I assume are in place for all the right reason, I do agree with you here Scribs, and I see the other side as well. Still... The KAC!!!... Chamon...

[CYBER]

The senior admins at steam bans would have enough proof in these demos for a permaban, but the term "conclusive" is subjective in regards to grounds for a permaban here at IBIS and seems to be more along the lines of a crosshair tracing playermodel situation, which is asinine.

True. Most ppl here have this wrong belief that a wallhacker is only a wallhavker if they have their crosshair on an enemy through wall all the time... Im not gonna lie, i would have done the ban myself instead of brett for the dxact same demos. The only reason why im not putting a YES on this ban is bcos i want to meet the ibis standards for conclusive evidence, just to make sure all ibis perma bans are non-negotioable. Which is why im calling spasm forth... But lets face it, there's a reason why 'someone' hasnt posted an unban thread yet...

[XX0wnsXY]

True. Most ppl here have this wrong belief that a wallhacker is only a wallhavker if they have their crosshair on an enemy through wall all the time... Im not gonna lie, i would have done the ban myself instead of brett for the dxact same demos. The only reason why im not putting a YES on this ban is bcos i want to meet the ibis standards for conclusive evidence, just to make sure all ibis perma bans are non-negotioable. Which is why im calling spasm forth... But lets face it, there's a reason why 'someone' hasnt posted an unban thread yet...

in reality, you have to post what YOU think. I posted my decision and why and I feel the need to explain it to noone. That is why 3 ULA's are required..it keeps people in check. I may be right or wrong, but someone either has to back me, or vote against me and I'm ok with whatever decision is made.

[Steamer]

Due to previous VAC and KAC bans I must conscientiously vote yes, even if it isn't that demo.
Reban until last vote / clan involvement.
/Open

[maynard]

2/3 majority vote was hit when cyber voted, this issue is closed and over with.