What's the verdict on bunnyhopping?

[Ryukatti]

Well 2 things. Bunnyhopping in general as a zombie and binding "JUMP" to a scroll wheel. Both I find unfair because it makes escape maps not as fun
because.. well it's just pretty cheap. Also scroll binders are pretty unfair also because it makes knocking them back in ANY crouch spot nearly impossible
unless you have a number of people shooting at the same damn time.

Discuss?

[maynard]

as of this current moment. Bhoping is allowed if it's done via your mouse and no actual scripts that just make it happen for you.

[Pl@YwithM3]

as of this current moment. Bhoping is allowed if it's done via your mouse and no actual scripts that just make it happen for you.

so basically; with all the new patch updates altering the game physics + bs from players trying to gain any possible advantage thats "within our guidelines".... zmod's just not what it used to be and probably never will be again.,


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[CYBER]

bhopping takes skill to master and a FUCKTON of practice. I'm saying this from my own experience as well.
Even with the mousewheel jump, bhopping isnt as easy as it used to be, and perfecting the jump in game can be really distracting sometimes as opposed to just walking around with a gun at head level or a zombie trying to get a swift knife...

if someone is using a bhop script that automatically jumps whenever they land on the ground, getting a flawless streak of say 5+ perfect bhops with no footsteps, then these ppl are using a script.
A script is a perma bannable offence, bhopping with mousewheel isnt.

reason? script requires no skill whatsoever to gain an advantage, bhopping with wheel takes a loooootttttt of practice is only as gd as the player him/her-self. Also the normal bhopping can be easily disrupted, easily broken into a fall, doesn't go too far except if u're rly good at it...etc... so the advantage isnt the bind anymore, as much as the player... + u can always do the same thing and bind the same key when zombie... what stops u ?

note that bhopping is somewhat harder on a 100tick server than a 66 for one, and on css is hard than 1.6. so let the people who trained 3 hours a day on bhop servers in all fairness get their earnings...

binding mwheeldown to jump for me, its like someone binding their buy weapons to a button, or +attack to mousewheel. In both these cases a player can gain time advantage for buying and swarming, and can get a random/faster rapidfire that we cant get... everyone has advantage anywhere really: think of the people with unbelievably low ping, no lag, faster machines, better graphic cards, better mice, better keyboard for custom buttons, etc... and yet,these same ppl can be abused if another player knows what they're doing
we clear now?

[Shadow_√II]

bhopping as zombies is a lot easier than humans for this server. i can bhop as a zombie but not as a human

[anex]

Well 2 things. Bunnyhopping in general as a zombie and binding "JUMP" to a scroll wheel. Both I find unfair because it makes escape maps not as fun
because.. well it's just pretty cheap. Also scroll binders are pretty unfair also because it makes knocking them back in ANY crouch spot nearly impossible
unless you have a number of people shooting at the same damn time.

Discuss?

You do realize that 1 or 2 actual hits from any weapon stop their momentum right? Try running backwards with a pistol and shoot at the bhoppers. Many people complain about bhopping but they don't figure out how to defeat it. Also 100 rounds of a M249 will kill any zombie except the deformed. Use single shot and aim for the head. The fast and predator have the lowest health out of all the zombies and they are the ones that are used to bhop. The deformed got an increase in speed so they can bhop too, which makes them harder to hit, but practice makes perfect. On ZE maps, you can't expect that you can win easily thus making winning escape maps much for rewarding. You can't just run from A to B and expect you will be fine. Turn around a shoot. If you died, its your own god damn fault.

Regarding crouch spots, bhopping is the reason why IBIS will never limit how many people can be in a crouched area. (such as under the stage at highschool) If you have people who know what they are doing, then you will never have a problem with zombies jumping in crouched areas. Don't keep bringing up the issue that matters like this are unfair. Learn how to play with it and beat it because thats the only way that you are to get better.

As Maynard said, Bhopping with scrips are illegal. Bindings are fine.

[THE HOLY SH**T!]

Bhopping is great for the server. It brings in good compeition for humans and it makes the game play much harder as a human. Bhoppers get by because they are either sneaky or not shot at. To stop a bhopper, just shoot them once in the head and they will go back to their normal speed. Most escape maps can easily be won by humans, it just takes a little team work and knowing how to handle any situation.

[Chef C Green]

Going along with what Cyber was saying, bhopping (binding "Jump" to a button) is a skill that indeed takes some practice to perfect, and is a deserving advantage for those people that take the time to master it (imo). I myself played the occasional bhop server, but really I think surf maps were very helpful too (used to be what zm is to me now). Being able to get a feel for the terrain, plan out your jumps, gauging distances, and being able to actually evade human's shots is not a simple matter of "Just bind your jump to mswheeldown".

When humans lose on the ZMod server during an escape map, 99% of the time it's because most if not all humans are looking forward paying no mind to the zombies behind. In that instance, OF COURSE zombies are going to win. You can't expect IBIS server to create zombies that won't eventually overtake humans. It's the humans' objective to not only get to the end, but to SURVIVE (meaning nading, shooting, knifing those damn zombies back to the hell from which they crawled out of!). Many people have already said this, but shooting zombies (any class) in the head will indeed slow them down if not stop them dead. Deformed class can be a bit difficult now with that extra speed boost (hence why I'm usually playing it ) to stop, but I assure you head-shots do stop me.

As for crouch spots, I do feel that there is some controversy here... I've noticed that zombies (fast and predator especially) are able to hide their hitboxes in the ceiling when jumping in crouch spots, which makes them quite annoying when you're a 1-3 human group. Of course when you get to 8+ humans you'll be fine, but I get claustrophobic at that point and end up just leaving the cade anyway... I'm not THAT friendly >.>. This was addressed in another forum a while back (http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/sho...t=Crouch+spots) where I was questioning a player for scripting or just jumping. Although it was not scripts, a few of us discussed the possibility of changing physics to account for the missing hit-box for the head, and it would just be a mess of code probably =\. Long story short, you as a player need to find your own way to cope with this disadvantage, meaning either bring a powerful PARA with you, or stick with people you trust.

So yeah... until the rules change, bhopping is fine so long as you aren't using a script (don't even try one cus we WILL know, we WILL ban you for a month, and you will finally end up PERMA-BANNNED after you go through our "justice system" at IBIS ).

[Steamer]

Scrolling through a tube or vent at two humans while clipping your hitboxes is super cheap and you should just go fuck yourself. I rape them with deformed without the use of scroll, with it is just ridiculous.

[Pl@YwithM3]

As for crouch spots, I do feel that there is some controversy here... I've noticed that zombies (fast and predator especially) are able to hide their hitboxes in the ceiling when jumping in crouch spots, which makes them quite annoying when you're a 1-3 human group. Of course when you get to 8+ humans you'll be fine, but I get claustrophobic at that point and end up just leaving the cade anyway... I'm not THAT friendly >.>

Scrolling through a tube or vent at two humans while clipping your hitboxes is super cheap and you should just go fuck yourself. I rape them with deformed without the use of scroll, with it is just ridiculous.

im just gonna like the fuck outa these two statements
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