Treehoe (Perma Banned) 06-23-12 11:01

[Treehoe]

Name in Game: Treehoe
Steam-ID: STEAM_0:1:45958378
Who banned you: Brett Favre/ Maynard
When: 06-23-12
Where: WCS
Why banned: XP Manilpulation
Link to ban:http://www.ibisgaming.com/sourcebans...reehoe&Submit=

Earlier today the server was starting to get empty until i was the only one sitting in spectator. Bigboss ( another WCS regular) joined and yes, we did plant/defuse the
objective on Dust2 for at most 4 rounds of gameplay. That rule i understand was broken. But i was told that i have been warned before for this, yet ive never done
anything like this before. Cyber claims that i was xp boosting before because ive died on a high lvl race giving 200+ xp from dying? if there was a demo of me standing still letting someone kill me please show me because i know ive never had that happen. I even know the map it was descused on. Even still for BigBoss this was his first offence and he recieved a week ban. Dont you think if ive done it before i wouldve been banned then? Of course not because i never broke the rule until today where i recieved the Perma Ban.


All in all, I only admit to breaking one of the server rules once, and that was xp manipulating ( even for the short time it was) which is a bannable offence. But other than that ive caused No problems for the server, if fact I'd say 90% of people on the server would say im fun to play with. I just think the Perma on first offence seems harse, Especially since the "warning" i supposedly recieved has no evidence of me ever breaking the rule other than today.

[brett friggin favre]

the incident today occurred in the demo below, ticks 18k for 2 rounds, 29k, and i'm not sure what the word is on this but at 46.8k he slays himself to buy more tomes.

let me also add that tree and bigboss seemed to have this planned out. they didn't have to discuss it or anything, just did it as if it was business as usual. that tells me it's not the first time they've done this, but i don't have demos of the other times.

http://uploading.com/files/8c715c1m/treelonely.dem/

[Treehoe]

I can tell you right now, by the time i slayed myself for tomes it was easily 20+ minutes into the map and other players were present, i was having a good run and actually ended up 80-20 or so, i wasnt on a maxed race or anything to i slayed myself to spent my cash. and as far as knowing what to do for xp exploiting, if you ever have done an objective in a WCS you would realize that you get xp for objectives. anyone with a brain would notice that. you make it sound like its super hard to come up with something like that....

[brett friggin favre]

and as far as knowing what to do for xp exploiting, if you ever have done an objective in a WCS you would realize that you get xp for objectives. anyone with a brain would notice that. you make it sound like its super hard to come up with something like that....

not saying it's hard to figure out, but it was planned in advance. that much is rather clear.

[Pit_Viper1]

I gonna have to chime in here because I'm not sure how to look at this perma. I myself have never seen Treehoe manipulating the rank system, but I agree that something has to be done since he is a regular on the server and knows the rules. A perma seems a bit harsh for the first offense with evidence, perhaps a 48 hour ban and resetting his levels would be a little more fitting, with the understanding that if he is caught again he will need to find a new server to play on.

Anyway. That is my view on this. I know that my opinion has no sway over the unban request or anything for that matter, but I have been a guest of this community for a while now and this seems a bit harsh.

[CYBER]

I gonna have to chime in here because I'm not sure how to look at this perma. I myself have never seen Treehoe manipulating the rank system, but I agree that something has to be done since he is a regular on the server and knows the rules. A perma seems a bit harsh for the first offense with evidence, perhaps a 48 hour ban and resetting his levels would be a little more fitting, with the understanding that if he is caught again he will need to find a new server to play on.

Anyway. That is my view on this. I know that my opinion has no sway over the unban request or anything for that matter, but I have been a guest of this community for a while now and this seems a bit harsh.

might be double posting, unless someone wrote in the last 5 minutes, but
here's the thing, level farming IS a perma offence.
if we start becoming lenient ,, ppl will start doing it and playing dumb when they get caught...
which is why i always record and download demos of every warning that is severe.

as for treehoe... granted a perma might seem a long time, but it is up to clan now, he was warned before, whether he remembers or not. thats his problem.

so IF the clan deems to not perma ban him , which i doubt, but give him a month or so ban and keep and eye on him, i wouldnt be against that either, bcos i dnt give a fuck about whether he stays or not. its up to maynard to punish on these rules broken.
a severe punishment MUST be given.. how severe depends on clan.
i think by the end of a month he would have learned never to do it again knowing that if he showed any sign of "illegal" activity, he;s be perma banned on the spot, without the ability to request unban?

---------- Post added at 02:43 AM ---------- Previous post was at 02:39 AM ----------

i didnt explain anything, i jokingly asked you what the admins views were on "letting someone kill you" and yes for that map i wasnt using my ult as a vagabond. that doesnt mean i was letting someone kill me. In all honesty Why would i boost people i dont know at my own expense? I have done no ammount of xp farming beside the few plant exchanges with bigboss. I Would view this as a first offence and would even accept the punishment of a week or month ban. Ive been respectful, to every admin and in regards to rules, have broke non say this xp exploit accused on Dust. Ive been playing the server just like anyone else and no one have ever had a problem with me. I even thought of myself as one of the more manner players there. But i guess if its staying a perma ban i wont argue with you guys. Thanks for letting me play the server for the time i had, was fun.

again, a perma is up to clan. i personally would have banned u for a month ban first to be honest instead of brett's 1 day ban, and trust me, thats VERY minimal to what i usually ban ppl for ... and then you would be perma banned if clan deemed fit.
simply because i actually enjoy ur hacking ass in game, but you would still be
but other than that, feelings aside, u fucked up.
i wish u luck, but u just confirmed what i mentionned above , that u were playing "weak" and becoming an easier target, hence why i asked maynard about it because there was nthn mentionned before about someone WANTING to get killed in game ...
and ur answer was provided above to such behaviour, then u went on to level farming a bomb...

i;d still slap him a month ban
just to give me the pleasure of banning u myself when i prove ur toggling aim-assisting ass. and for shits and giggles
true story ^
but as for ur current ban made by clan, you're most likely not go out that easy.
perma is the standard punishment, the punishment your actions deserve. if clan decide to go easy on u (i mean REALLY easy) then you;d get at least a month ban, but i wouldnt hold my breath yet...

edit: nway , i said what i was asked to confirm. im going back i ngame, im not responding directly, maybe later. u guys have my steam if u need me.

[Treehoe]

Also i would like to note, it was disscussed prior to the 2nd round starting in steam chat to plant/defuse. ( yes im admitting to breaking the rule)
so by "planned in advance" yes it was, by about a minute.

---------- Post added at 02:29 AM ---------- Previous post was at 02:21 AM ----------

let me also add that tree and bigboss seemed to have this planned out. they didn't have to discuss it or anything, just did it as if it was business as usual. that tells me it's not the first time they've done this, but i don't have demos of the other times.
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And that is because there are no demos besides this one, it has never been done by myself or bigboss prior to this event.

[CYBER]

dnt have anything personally against u , i enjoy playin with u ,
but i did warn you before that level farming is a perma ban offence.
you were about to exchange kills with a friend on assault by going out as a T vaga and not using ur ultimate and shooting... just walking around and getting killed ,heck u probably already did it couple of times that map without me noticing until i died and saw u getting killed without teleporting.

so i was jokingly saying "why didnt u use ur ulti??" u explained the above process u were doing...

i called u on that saying that not allowed and u said "iim suiciding, whats wrong with that?"
then u went and said "so if i was a vagabond and i just walked to ct spawn and didnt shoot or use my ultimate at all, is that level farming?"

i said that im almost sure, but i went either to maynard to confirm all my commands so that i always have the updated answers to everything.

i went to ask maynard and he said its not allowed , since u are intentionally doing it , and specially because u were trying to get killed just by 1 guy, cant remember who tho...
when i told u about it i said the following:
being a high level vagabond (u were along the lv 46/50) ur xp output can greatly benefit a new player... so dont suicide intentionally to give xp... and i also said why would u even fuck up ur kdr?
u said well im just suiciding with a friend for fun, i dont even need to use my ultimate. i do it all the time, didnt think it was a big deal.

so i chalked it up to u dumbing up, or kidding around when u said u did it all the time and making a mistake since there was no demo...
and explained the issue to maynard.
i specifically remmeber that conversation and the map (assault) because i referred to maynard since it was based on ur word of mouth. his response was also to warn u , and tell u that if u ever got caught on tape level farming... u;d be perma banned. maynard can attest to that.

obviously im paraphrasing with my own language and memory, but be 100% sure that i did warn you,
i usually keep a demo of all my warnings just to avoid scenarios like that, i just cant find it... so it must be labeled under a previous demo...
i started recording all my warnings a couple months ago or so, so if i find that demo u will look like a tard if u claimed u didnt...
just saying..

tl/dr
anywho, my input on it is that treehoe was already warned before by me, and he dodged a perma ban offence last time simply because there was no demo of him committing the level farming, being based on his word that he did it before even then....so we let it go last time with a warning not to do so, and gave u a warning that if u get caught u get perma banned...
u got caught...
not lets review the rules of implication in math ?... "=>"

as i understand, u do that on empty servers and when someone joins u act dumb and play normally...
luckily brett is similar to me in a way that he has no life and watching demos of empty servers, like i do :P
and he saw that shit...
i dont have a say in this, this is up to clan now since maynard banned u .
i just came here to confirm that i did warn you before, and i honestly have no grudge for u or any of that shit. gd luck.

[Pit_Viper1]

Ah.. Well then. This completely voids my previous post.

Sorry Treehoe. I like you man, but if you are willing to play the game you had better be willing to pay the price.

[Treehoe]

i didnt explain anything, i jokingly asked you what the admins views were on "letting someone kill you" and yes for that map i wasnt using my ult as a vagabond. that doesnt mean i was letting someone kill me. In all honesty Why would i boost people i dont know at my own expense? I have done no ammount of xp farming beside the few plant exchanges with bigboss. I Would view this as a first offence and would even accept the punishment of a week or month ban. Ive been respectful, to every admin and in regards to rules, have broke non say this xp exploit accused on Dust. Ive been playing the server just like anyone else and no one have ever had a problem with me. I even thought of myself as one of the more manner players there. But i guess if its staying a perma ban i wont argue with you guys. Thanks for letting me play the server for the time i had, was fun.