GG Rules

[CYBER]

it shouldnt be needed but alot of players cry about players who dont accept a knife fight or deny it. Pretty much just leaving the vote box up, resulting in players crying to admins for a slay.

if you think about it, leaing the menu is that same damn thing as disagreeing with the knife fight. Point being, admins should not be punishing players for leaving the knife vote menu up.

NO mikey, leaving the vote menu open is NOT the same as saying no.
I've seen it myself where this is exploited in the following way:

• Vote menu shows up, player A accepts, player B doesnt vote yet.
• Player A assumes player B is ignoring vote, and so they carry on normally with shooting.
• Player B tries to kill player A.
• IF player B thinks that he is about to die (i,e player A had the upper hand and was about to win)
• Then player B automatically presses 1. This activates the knife fight sequence, fully invulnerable and with health reset.
• This move prevented him from dying the way he was meant to, giving him another chance to kill player A with a knife fight...

Now tell me how that is fair for player A who is a dedicated and honorable fighter to answer yes??????
it's like being given a chance to shoot down someone by surprise and an automatic pause + reset button when its almost game over by accepting the pending knife fight which the other ALREADY accepted...




Maynard, there actually either SHOULD be a rule about not voting 1 or 2, OR more preferably have zero edit the vote menu program so that after 3 seconds of waiting, it automatically answers NO by default... so that this exploit doesnt get used.

Ive seen this happen many times, and it pisses me off when someone pulls that shit on me... i end up raping their mindless skull in the end of knife fight, bcos i always prefer not using admin powers... but that's just a shitty way to get 2 chances to kill me, bcos i always accept my knife fights...
and it seems like a subjective reason ,but it isnt. Us good knifers feel like this is very unfair.


Also, there are times when the knife menu glitches out and the player cant vote... Naturally, if there was an automatic trigger to say NO after being idle for 3+ seconds, this glitch can be prevented with a universally announced NO, as opposed to having both players wandering the map not knowing if the other is knifing or not. and then theres always smthn that goes wrong.

---------- Post added at 11:35 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:22 AM ----------

i know iknow.. double post.
first one was about the IDLE VOTING MENU,
this one is about the punishment menu.

Maynard, do u think it is allowed to "save a slay" for later?
Say someone killed you on nade round, or early in the game... or few rounds earlier,
I've seen people keep the punishment menu open, and then when the guy who accidentally tked gets his nade level, he gets slayed back to glock...

im just curious to see if that fair or not, technically a punishment is a punishment, but to hold on to that slay for a while (say it was relikk or fluffy who killed me,and these 2 get on nade always, i would know, and save that slay for when it is HARDER for them to recover from it..)..

the ONLY thing that might intervene in keeping the menu open, is the map vote, but any time before or after, if u have it open, u can slay say 7 rounds after the shit happened...
thoughts?

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

NO mikey, leaving the vote menu open is NOT the same as saying no.
I've seen it myself where this is exploited in the following way:

• Vote menu shows up, player A accepts, player B doesnt vote yet.
• Player A assumes player B is ignoring vote, and so they carry on normally with shooting.
• Player B tries to kill player A.
• IF player B thinks that he is about to die (i,e player A had the upper hand and was about to win)
• Then player B automatically presses 1. This activates the knife fight sequence, fully invulnerable and with health reset.
• This move prevented him from dying the way he was meant to, giving him another chance to kill player A with a knife fight...

Now tell me how that is fair for player A who is a dedicated and honorable fighter to answer yes??????
it's like being given a chance to shoot down someone by surprise and an automatic pause + reset button when its almost game over by accepting the pending knife fight which the other ALREADY accepted...




Maynard, there actually either SHOULD be a rule about not voting 1 or 2, OR more preferably have zero edit the vote menu program so that after 3 seconds of waiting, it automatically answers NO by default... so that this exploit doesnt get used.

Ive seen this happen many times, and it pisses me off when someone pulls that shit on me... i end up raping their mindless skull in the end of knife fight, bcos i always prefer not using admin powers... but that's just a shitty way to get 2 chances to kill me, bcos i always accept my knife fights...
and it seems like a subjective reason ,but it isnt. Us good knifers feel like this is very unfair.


Also, there are times when the knife menu glitches out and the player cant vote... Naturally, if there was an automatic trigger to say NO after being idle for 3+ seconds, this glitch can be prevented with a universally announced NO, as opposed to having both players wandering the map not knowing if the other is knifing or not. and then theres always smthn that goes wrong.

---------- Post added at 11:35 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:22 AM ----------

i know iknow.. double post.
first one was about the IDLE VOTING MENU,
this one is about the punishment menu.

Maynard, do u think it is allowed to "save a slay" for later?
Say someone killed you on nade round, or early in the game... or few rounds earlier,
I've seen people keep the punishment menu open, and then when the guy who accidentally tked gets his nade level, he gets slayed back to glock...

im just curious to see if that fair or not, technically a punishment is a punishment, but to hold on to that slay for a while (say it was relikk or fluffy who killed me,and these 2 get on nade always, i would know, and save that slay for when it is HARDER for them to recover from it..)..

the ONLY thing that might intervene in keeping the menu open, is the map vote, but any time before or after, if u have it open, u can slay say 7 rounds after the shit happened...
thoughts?

really, i have never seen that "Exploit"...... you dont need to write an essay. alot of the times the menu is not there, there is no way to know for sure unless you mandate that every single player has to communicate in the server...

[CYBER]

really, i have never seen that "Exploit"....

2 reason: 1-either ppl just click '1' bcos no one is affraid to knife fight you in the first place. Or 2- you'd have to actually be close to killing the other guy to make him go for a hail mary with that 'exploit' that does tend to happen more than u think As for the essay, u're absutely right.but split it into 2 posts... The description of the 'exploit' took the majorit of it, along with the other issue im posting.

[h4x0r]

It's fair, that's Genocide's ultimate right? Get shot then re-appear with full HP, oh wait this is GG? How about a WCS GG Server people?

[XX0wnsXY]

really, i have never seen that "Exploit"...... you dont need to write an essay. alot of the times the menu is not there, there is no way to know for sure unless you mandate that every single player has to communicate in the server...

I agree with Cyber. I didn't think about this when maynard posted the rules, however it is another one of those things that 1. delays the round (if the player doesn't choose an option, the other player will sometimes wait for an answer) and 2. exploit, as Cyber said.

[StarsMine]

How has mikey not seen that exploit. I cant even say I never used that exploit myself, I get shot at and hit 1 cause I dont know where.

I think holding a TK menu should be allowed. I never really becomes a problem as the longer you hold it the more likely some vote comes up.

[CYBER]

How has mikey not seen that exploit. I cant even say I never used that exploit myself, I get shot at and hit 1 cause I dont know where.

I think holding a TK menu should be allowed. I never really becomes a problem as the longer you hold it the more likely some vote comes up.

honestly? i dont personally mind holding the TK menu either. i dnt usually punish ppl for it in game, bcos there's no rule on it. i just call it out, saying "that was shitty lol", but i dnt deem it THAT problematic.
if someone is recklesswith their kills, its their fault.

but i do however severely stress that something needs to be done regarding "holding the knife menu"... ive seen u pull that shit off stars:P , you and others. and or immediately press "1' when the enemy freaks u up around a corner,,, its currently a perfectly "legitimate" way to avoid getting killed when u cant tell where someone is shooting at u from ...currently there isnt a rule about it , thats why i call it "legitimate", and THAT's one of the reasons why i want a specific ruling on this (or avoid the ruling altogether and have zero force a default NO value after 3-5 seconds of ignoring the menu

[RedNeck #Badaim]

hey we need to change the motd for the gg it says no excessive camping but that is open to opinon what excessive is

[maynard]

hey we need to change the motd for the gg it says no excessive camping but that is open to opinon what excessive is

No, it's not open 2 opinion as one the rules clearly state the rule, and 2 Zero has stated several times the exact wording of the rule regarding camping.

unless the round is being prolonged, meaning there's like 2-3 people left and their camping, there is no reason for an admin 2 be doing or saying anything.

[Akoiah]

what is the punishment for leaving and rejoining throughout the map?