032 Vagalion [320] v1.0.1

[Erdenay]

He isn't crazy, I know I've heard it before, and when I am cloaked with a vagalion and my ultimate is blocked, it does make a sound i can hear, but it also usually results in people looking right at me indicating they heard it as well. It may be a glitch that doesn't happen at all times, but it is a real thing.

This. I've tested it on test server and it didn't work, but I know I've heard sound of it before when I caught a vagalion before and I am quite sure other people have heard me as well as they would sometimes, without any knowledge whatsoever (or that's what was supposed to be true) and then come pretty much right to me. Normally I'm behind a wall so a radar is not the issue either.

[CYBER]

He isn't crazy, I know I've heard it before, and when I am cloaked with a vagalion and my ultimate is blocked, it does make a sound i can hear, but it also usually results in people looking right at me indicating they heard it as well. It may be a glitch that doesn't happen at all times, but it is a real thing.

Few reasons they looked at you. Could be the one reason, or a combination of the following:

The so-called The VAGA/Rap Spotting Tutorial (to be updated)

Visual Reasons:
- They saw you on radar.
- They saw your name tag.
- They saw your shadow with flashlight
- They saw your shadow behind the wooden wall (like crackhouse)
- You have blood spatter on you from a crossfire.
- When you teleported, you accidentally hit a moving object nearby and it's still wobbling.
- They randomly saw your name tag hovering in front of their crosshair.
- When you used your mic to talk, they read your location on the bottom right of their screen, and made them more vigilant in that area.
- Valve glitch that keeps a microphone stuck above your head but only viewable by a certain individual, making them able to see where you are.

Gameplay Reasons:
- You had a necklace and someone couldn't use THEIR ultimate. If it were a jack, they'd hear the ultimate-disabled sound from their end, making them think the vagalion did it.
- You DON'T have a necklace, and some random ass ultimate hit you.
- You didn't have anti_wards and you got hit by wards.
- Some lucky son of a bitch of a dragonfly happened to trigger their sparks right where u were fixed.
- Another vaga was stuck with you, and pinpointed you out to a teammate.
- You hide in that spot WAYYY too fucking much, making you predictable.
- You killed an enemy of theirs nearby, and unless they spotted you their teammate's radar, they just took a guess as to where you killed their teammate and where they would have run off to if they were you.
- The enemy is countering YOU, and specifically YOU, not the race. They know the way you play, aggressive vs laid back. For example: I used to be an aggressive vagabond, I can probably sweep through 5 of you guys before one of you even lands a hit on me. However, if I'm going against Tom or Britney's human, I should know best than to storm head on because they usually predict my teleport locations, based on preference. The same with Shady and I when it comes to rooftop sniping and evasiveness.
- You are intentionally baited into a tiny hall, corridor, or doorway, making their "spray-and-pray" factor grow exponentially.
- They are just some lucky motherfuckers that randomly hit you.
- An enemy who died a few moments ago saw where you were on their death-camera, respawned, and knew exactly where to come get you.

Audible Reasons:
- They heard you swing your knife. Believe it or not, that's usually the thing I -personally- rely on the most when trying to pinpoint a STUCK vaga because most of them try to use the opportunity to knife you as opposed to waiting for the back-knife for the 1 hit KO. This allows you to hear their knife swing in mid air OR hit an object nearby and therefore allows you to pinpoint EXACTLY where they are, and how high they are.
- They heard your teleport sound nearby and took a guess.
- Their teammate, or your teammate made a sound in your general direction, and made the enemy falsely ASSUME that it was the vaga or enemy that did that, only to be coincidentally right.

Hacks:
- Motherfucker has ESP.
- Motherfucker has radar hacks.
- Mptherfucker is ghosting.
- Motherfucker has walls and they saw your movement before teleport.
- Motherfucker has aimbot/aim-assist/triggerbot and the engine automatically fired at your invisible ass even if they didn't know you were there per say.

Your suggestion:
- There was a glitch in the first person sound, making it audible for other players in the surroundings... sometimes... maybe.

---------------------
Conclusion:
I'm pretty sure I might have forgotten a few ways to pinpoint vagas in game, but statistically speaking, the odds that they spotted you because of a rare GLITCH are REALLY REALLY slim since all other conditions above must be confirmed as non-existent. It's just like calling hacks on someone spotting vagas like that. We have to go through that entire fucking list and uncheck all other possibilities.
Bottom line is, unless you show a demo that can deny ALLLLLLLL of the above, and actually have an honest guy kill you BECAUSE of that sound? yeah... Good luck with that.

*Goes to wcs test-server to test some shit*

[What]

Thank you senor Textwall, but your missing the point. Its more like im stuck, they are looking around, I press the ulti button, and they swing and look right at me. Thats cause and effect right there muchacho.

[CYBER]

Thank you senor Textwall, but your missing the point. Its more like im stuck, they are looking around, I press the ulti button, and they swing and look right at me. Thats cause and effect right there muchacho.

oh i get that. but I've personally yet to see this happen... And I play vagalion half the time and get vagalions stuck the other half...
And I've never seen this happen. Even on test server like tom mentionned.

I'll keep an eye out so that I can properly find a demo of this happening, if any, but even if the enemy is through a wall, the above list of tips still applies.

[ZERO]

See:

/*
 * EMIT ULT BLOCK SOUND
 * 
 * NOTE REQUIRES OnMapStart_UltBlockSound() in OnMapStart()
 *
 */
stock ULTBLOCKSOUND(any:client)
{
    EmitSoundToClient(client, UltBlockSound);
}

Key word is TO NOT FROM. Thus it only sends to that client and not anyone else.
See: http://docs.sourcemod.net/api/index....d=show&id=681&

[Erdenay]

I honestly don't understand the code well enough to understand what you wrote there Zero. I've tested it out on both the main server and the test server without any positive results. However, I am pretty much 100% sure that I've heard that before when I was not supposed to hear it and I suspect others have heard it true. I'll be on a lookout, although as I've noted, it seems to be working fine currently.

[CeeCeeBaby]

I know you guys probably get tons of complaints, but both vagalion and bond get really aggravating and annoying in game. I want to have fun and stick with this server but sometimes it gets to the point where i can't even move out of spawn without getting knifed once and instantly killed. maybe if you guys could work on nerfing it a little :S

[brett friggin favre]

ways to counter vagas:

a race with a built in lace
buying a lace
strider wards
shadow hunter wards
human

they're tough to deal with at the start but you'll get used to how they operate and how to beat them.

[What]

Indeed, and in general just play smart. Flashlights on, dont go wandering right in the open. Also, save money, if you keep getting killed quickly then stop buying guns and shit for a couple rounds, and then purchase a lace and gun when you can together.

Furthermore: Vagas get cocky when they kill nubs round after round, meaning they are going to take the same paths and do the same things, use that to your advantage and make them change their strategy.

[maynard]

i can't even move out of spawn without getting knifed once and instantly killed.

try moving faster...