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    Quote Originally Posted by Erdenay View Post
    rapscalion who is under-powered

    Rap isn't under powered. 90% of people just don't know how to properly play it lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maynard View Post
    Rap isn't under powered. 90% of people just don't know how to properly play it lol.
    agreed

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    Quote Originally Posted by maynard View Post
    Rap isn't under powered. 90% of people just don't know how to properly play it lol.
    I can be a pretty decent raps and I've seen people do well with them, but the ultimate glitch when it shows you use it through the walls fucks it up big time - any good player as soon as they see that can easily kill raps 9 times out of 10. If that would be fixed, I would probably agree with you there (maybe increasing crit chances wouldn't hurt either), but inability to properly hide with ultimate along with you being a 40th level easy target does make it under-powered.

    Quote Originally Posted by Akoiah View Post
    imo, spiderman was the only broken race, but I hear it already got nerfed. human is only overpowered in the sense that bash glitches your crosshair, which im pretty sure was not the intended effect.
    Spider wasn't over-powered - good humans can kill them any day. A good player with max human + weapon + lace + health + helm = almost impossible to kill. I've seen it in countless of times of how max humans can clutch in situations any other race would probably be destroyed easily. Don't get me wrong - I'm not complaining and I have no problems with it just like I'm fine with all the other races in our server... But human is definitely over-powered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erdenay View Post
    I can be a pretty decent raps and I've seen people do well with them, but the ultimate glitch when it shows you use it through the walls fucks it up big time - any good player as soon as they see that can easily kill raps 9 times out of 10. If that would be fixed, I would probably agree with you there (maybe increasing crit chances wouldn't hurt either), but inability to properly hide with ultimate along with you being a 40th level easy target does make it under-powered.
    see this is proof that you're part of the 90% of people who clearly don't know how 2 play it...

    Rap is not an offensive race, it a support/defensive race... it rapes by falling back, and waiting for the right moment 2 strike/ambush. if you go on the offensive with Rap, you're not going 2 have an overly fun time.

    The entire point of Rap is 2 ambush the enemy... just because Rap isn't as hardcore or good or as easy as the other knife classes, does not mean that it's under powered. Rap is designed 2 serve a very specific role.... most choose 2 not play that role and play the race the complete opposite way it's meant 2 be played... and then wonder why they are having a shitty time.

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    yea well human is custom made for camping. of course it's gonna be good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maynard View Post
    see this is proof that you're part of the 90% of people who clearly don't know how 2 play it...

    Rap is not an offensive race, it a support/defensive race... it rapes by falling back, and waiting for the right moment 2 strike/ambush. if you go on the offensive with Rap, you're not going 2 have an overly fun time.

    The entire point of Rap is 2 ambush the enemy... just because Rap isn't as hardcore or good or as easy as the other knife classes, does not mean that it's under powered. Rap is designed 2 serve a very specific role.... most choose 2 not play that role and play the race the complete opposite way it's meant 2 be played... and then wonder why they are having a shitty time.
    Trust me, I'm not playing offensively - I normally camp around the objective, but on some maps they can easily spot you even if you go straight to a place and use your ultimate. Furthermore, if they have a lace and they're at least decent, you're fucked most of the time.
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    have yet to see a rap being played well on any map by anyone. Have yet to see SOMEONE play rap, the race is underplayed and pretty useless period, anyone that would even argue this clearly doesn't play enough on the server or is thinking of a different race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HypeRNT View Post
    have yet to see a rap being played well on any map by anyone. Have yet to see SOMEONE play rap, the race is underplayed and pretty useless period, anyone that would even argue this clearly doesn't play enough on the server or is thinking of a different race.
    I have seen masskid going 18-2 day before yesterday. Granted it was in a stacked team against mostly noobs, but it still proves it can be played well. However, I can say that I have yet to see rapscalion do something like that against really good teams or stacked teams.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chikun View Post
    Stop using your ultimate at ground level, if you're going to tell me that the other team is going to advance down pathways at the start of a round looking at the sky trying to find you... I just don't know what to say.

    There are only a few outcomes to this:
    1.) You're repeating your tactic by going to the same spot (your fault)
    2.) You're advancing too far and they saw your ultimate through a wall (your fault)

    When you say you "normally camp the objective" that leads me to believe you chose option 1. A solution to this is to hide in the air on a path to the objective rather than at the objective and vary your travel distance each round. When you ambush someone, you do it before they get to their destination, not after.
    Trust me, I do these things most of the time. The only thing that I'm sometimes guilty of would be #2, but even that is fairly rare. I never stay on the ground level when I don't have to, but since rap is easy to kill and really easy to counter, if they know the team has a raps, most of the time they will search for it due to easy and high xp (compared to other classes). I never, ever go to the same spot with raps if that's the same as I did last round - I sometimes stay within the rage ~ 50 - 100 feet, but same spot - that's just suicide.

    I'm not saying this race can't be played well - I've had very good scores with it too (20-3 is one instance I remember), but that still does not prove it's not underpowered. In fact, I find myself normally doing better if I don't use the ultimate (or barely use it) as it normally gives better chances to do well.

    Quote Originally Posted by brett friggin favre View Post
    rap isn't underpowered, however it is easily countered by skill, awareness, and anticipation. it takes a sharp mind and a good eye for hiding spots to be successful with it. you have to anticipate where the enemy's going to go, where they're going to look, how many there will be, and you need to be somewhere they won't look and that has an easily accessible exit route.
    Exactly... And still with even these skills it's very difficult to do well against normal teams (I'm not talking about raping noobs).

    Quote Originally Posted by HypeRNT View Post
    Who r these *number of people* that you are speaking of? first of all, i havent seen u or half the peopel that posted in this thread playing in the server or even using the race, second, the race is way underpowered, it has a high level requirement for some odd reason, a crit blade that basically never crits, and an ult that reveals your position thru walls*lawl* now you can say as much as you want about how AWESOME this race is and how you just need to be "GOOD" and "SMART" to play it, but at the end of the day, the race is the weakest of the knife races, and the weakest race in the server period, and this is shown by peoples kdr and lack of playing time with it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmage View Post
    I believe it's Wolf is the main one. There are a few. Cyber might have been another. If Spasm wasn't I'd be surprised. I can go positive with it. Problem is, if I wanted to play a defensive class, I'd play Human. Being a defensive class, most people won't play it, because most people on our server are heavy offensive, and we have a plethora of those, including other knife races. If they want to knife, there are around six gun races that can knife with the best, as well as the other knife races being offensive as well.

    I don't pay attention to many players who play a variety of races, I just know people who are good at the game.

    The crit is quite powerful. I'd prefer if it was x4 instead of only x3, but x3 one hits most races, even if they have periapt of health.

    As for power, it is comparable to flame pred. Same speed, an alternate camouflage ability. His damage ability kills, Preds slows. Weapon Drop and Full invisibility both are special abilities. You just need to play the race correctly. Flame pred requires approaching them, Raps waits for the approach. Weakest depends on what you mean. Pano is similarly "weak". Shadow of the Void is a gimmick race. Warden is easily shut down. Low KDR and lack of play is due to people not wanting to play/learn it. It's actually been played almost 16 hours the past two days.

    THE ULTIMATE IS NOT MEANT TO BE SPAMMED! YOU USE IT TO GET INTO POSITION WHEN NO ONE IS AROUND! As such, the fact that it is visible through walls is something that requires it to be played right, something we could use for another race *cough*. Another point: this can be used to bait.

    As for "seeing us", you play between 8:00 and 22:00. I play between 23:00 and 4:00, with a few exceptions, and have very limited weekend play time. In fact, my 16 hours the past week beats your 12. Then, Stars plays 22:00-6:00. We just don't play at the same time. Brett and Chikun haven't played much in the past couple weeks, however. BTW: You Me Stars On the other hand, if you just don't remember playing with, you've just forgotten, I've played with you a number of times in the past.
    Well, I've not seen wolf actually own with that race... Or he was doing bad. Cyber? No. There have been only 2 people in the server that I've actually seen do really well in the server with this race - masskid and Brett. However, even then when they owned, they really didn't play against a really good opposition... When they did, they did not do that well... Have I seen them with positive kdr against decent opposition? Yes. Have I done it? Yes. Have few others done it? Yes. That's not the point though - the thing that I'm trying to point out that this race is just not as good as other races in the server. You can still do well with rapscalion - and some people do that, but for amount of levels it requires and for the skills it gives back compared to other races in wcs, it just doesn't stand on it's own.

    Please understand me - I'm not actually saying that it's impossible to do well with this race: that would be nonsense. I am neither petitioning for a change as I know that will not happen. I do, however, try to point out that while Ibis wcs server is balanced fairly well, there are races which are underpowered or overpowered and just don't really add anything to the balance.
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    I dont play rapscallion against a strong team unless both vagas are taken. The ONLY reason i dnt play that race often is not because it's underpowered, but because 90% of the time i play races i need to level, when i actually DO become maxxed, i try to get the vagas because im fucking good at it. i can play rap too, i can go decent kdr or go really bad, it depends on my days.

    So dnt use the 'cyber doesnt play rapscallion' excuse, because i do, but only when i cant play vagas which are more suitable to my game style.

    I play agressive, im not affraid to take 98 damage rushing close to someone if it guarantees me the kill. THIS is not suitable if i play rap which needs to be camped. If people dont play the race, any race, its not always because of the race itself. It also depends on players and their style.

    I can see tom for example playing athena, BM, night elf, rAp etc because he doesnt play agressive. He plays smart and laid back, which is why he is almost always last to survive, whereas im 90% dead within the first 1.5 minutes, but i'd have taken down at least 3-4 enemies with me...

    If you dont likethe race, dnt play it, rap is not the best race sure, i find it underpowered for MY gamestyle, but others might be better...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyper
    First, that is your opinion it isn't *logic*, my logic isn't flawed its pretty freaking obvious to anyone who isn't on your nut sack.
    His is normal, mine in parentheses.

    Have yet to see SOMEONE play rap, the race is underplayed(this part is fine) and pretty useless period,(this is fail in logic, to know it's useless, you'd have to have seen it at a decent amount)

    anyone that would even argue this clearly doesn't play enough on the server or is thinking of a different race. (I'm sorry that 500+ hours list on Psychostats, 900+ listed on gametracker isn't enough. I am curious how your 400+ hours on either makes you qualified enough to comment, however. Though I do acknowledge that he, in a later post starts his "I've been on many servers" again)

    the race is way underpowered, it has a high level requirement for some odd reason, a crit blade that basically never crits, and an ult that reveals your position thru walls(the only logic here is you're lazy, I can think of a number of reasons for all those, some of which I've mentioned before.)

    the race is the weakest of the knife races, and the weakest race in the server period, and this is shown by peoples kdr and lack of playing time with it.(this shows that people don't play the race, not that it's weak.)

    You are comparing flame pred with rap? thats like comparing USA basketball team with Nigeria(record beating on those guys) rap has great speed which is awesome but what can i do with that speed? lets say by some miracle i stab a guy then what? the crit is so terrible that i have to hit a guy 2-5 times depending on health increases evasion and my crit proc going of. The ult itself is one of the worst things about it, id rather not have any invi then one that reveals me to other players thru walls before i can even see them...(I gave you a response showing the issues in this one already. Denial is the first stage of something...)

    Yes, perfect logic, I admi... Never mind, I'm not that stupid.

    As you continued the FP vs Raps:

    Flame pred has an ult that suffers from the EXACT SAME PROBLEMS RAPS DOES (lace kills it, only works when they are close) plus is necessitates dying, and can't be used for more than one thing. It has decent invis, as does Raps, just different. Both are easy for some people to see, hard for others. Setting people on fire = about nothing. If you die to it, grats. Weapon drop can FUBAR people who have auto-weapon switch on pickup, I admit. However, guess what? You still get shot or knifed by many enemies. Again, if this is auto death for you, L2P. This ability is also useless on other knife races, something that can't be said about raps. Raps ability doesn't proc as often, correct, but 1 hits most things(including a FP with health). 190vs150 is actually not as powerful as 100 vs 140. 140 is 3 right clicks, 100 is 2. 190 is 3 or 4, 150 is 3. All 4 are 1 back-knife. Against guns, the 40 extra HP is about 2 bullets, or less, and 150vs190 matters in few situations against gun races.

    And you not knowing or caring about how to use the ultimate really isn't any of my concern anymore. It is useful, if you use it correctly.

    I have not been to this PARTICULAR server for as long as you, yes no one is debating that, but i have my fair share of wcs experience from css or 1.6 aswell.
    We've been over this before. To quote the same credentials as last time. "I've played a number of Warcraft servers, both 1.6 and Source." Yay?

    Im not a likable person? says who?
    You're snarky and rude, you can't take hints, you're arrogant. I could go look through more of your posts if you need more examples of things that are, in the real world, considered unlikable.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hyper
    why the fuck would i give a shit on who likes me on a forum trololol, i have absolutely 0 problems in the server when im playing and have plenty of people on my friends list wcs admins included, so once again your OPINION is just YOUR OPINION and lets keep it at that.
    I dunno, maybe because you actually wanted people to pretend to take you seriously? I was just letting you know that it isn't everyone who gets flamed, that you and your ilk are just special cases. I also argue with tons of people here, but have them on my friend's list. First off, this shows nothing other than they clicked a button. Second off, we don't discuss the same things here and there, mostly.

    Erdenay:

    FYI was going by this statement, not my actually knowledge of Cyber on Raps : This On Wolf, I'd just have to wait to see what he said. I've not personally seen Brett play it (well) that I know of, hence not adding him. But mostly, it's why I said "I don't pay attention to many players who play a variety of races, I just know people who are good at the game." I'll also mention, once more, that KDR means jack, and is by NO means a way to tell if a race or player is doing well. Also, amount of levels doesn't mean "better". It can mean a number of things, including "knows how the server works". It also has to do with when it was added. Zero might remember, some other people (Maynard) might know.

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