Next time someone bitches about impalance

[HypeRNT]

Ok, listen let me explain to you by a guy who really doesn't give a fuck what anyone thinks.

Vaga is strong, only at certain maps and situations, now if you said spiderman was OP, i woulda said yes, hes pretty gay on every map on every situation. Vaga is good when you have a good team, because that means the other team is going to lose and be poor making them have less of chance to have a lace or be smart enough to change race for you to counter. Vaga gets countered very easy, especially vagalion. Too many races these days being played like shadow of the void,warden,shadow hunter,human and athena that either have a lace automatically or have skills like bash to freeze vaga long enough to kill him. Its really that simple, even a flash light reveals you so its pretty basic killing vagas. And you really don't want them to be unrestricted because it would make this imbalanced due to too many people flying around from spwn to spwn picking of players that aren't vagabonds. I cant put it anymore simpler then this, they are STRONG, but not OP.

Now about the auto snipers and awps, i would definitely enable awps just because they really aren't great in wcs servers unless you have a race for them. On Ibis there is many races that have speed boosts and evasion and can fly, making awping without any other special powers really hard. Awp is expensive, heavy, and if you want to waste your money on it then go ahead.Can people do good with an awp? yeah of course, but would it be OP or imbalanced? i would say definitely no.
And auto snipers are different because they shoot at a faster rate, and are very accurate and this could be a small problem with some of the races like raiden, even though i still think it would be pretty useless against most races on most maps to even use auto.

Now the last part, you may not be new to the server, but you are new to the forums and the way things are done here. You don't try to come in with a bunch of people you are unfamiliar with and try to insult their server, that is rude and will definitely cause an argument. These guys know any and all problems that could be with the server, and if they thought it was important enough to do something about it, they would have done it long ago, clearly this is not the case so i suggest you drop the topic and just keep playing on the server.

[CYBER]

Half the shit you mentionned ALREADY exist on our server, which just shows u're a blind rage-a-holic that cant see balance of features in game if they smacked u in the face or fucked u in the ass. U're also a hypocrite talking out of ur ass because you contradict yourself every other word. First u claim that all races shouldnt be restricted, the u bitch about races being OP AND WANT TO NEEF THEM, then u bith that there shouldnt be item restriction on races, then u just claim that the number of heald item needs decrease on some races.... MAKE UP UR FUCKING MIND. The way i see it is that we already have a decent balance and you simply dont like how we compensate one thing for another to achieve that balance, and you want US to change everythin for YOU just so that we closer to a server u used to play on bcoa u cant play properly here for shhit... Erdenay is being more than tolerant with you, you're ranting and arguein with OPINION and not FACTS. This will never end ... I frankly prefer of if it was hyper argueig ... At least the fucker knows when to quit on a lost cause, and even HIM thinks u're useless. 150 hours is NOTHINg on this server, we have people that have over thousands of hours here and know more about the server than u claim. U're just too lazy to learn and adapt and want us to that for u. We make all the races here from scratch, ZERO codes them himself and maintains them himself and balances himself, stop taking pride in servers that just buy race packa for a price and just spam the server with shitty re-used races to make money off of u, here WE build the races, we build the balance, WE build the server, Nd no matter how hard u try, no one will give a damn about that u think. I actually think u're just butthurt about a few races and items, and cant adapt in game, and u're here bitching about it. The server here is a STRATEGY server, we host scrim tournaments and etc (which i doubt any other server even does that) and we care more about a team win than a personal gain. I would gladly take a bullet from a more pivotal team member if i can ensure the team victory, and ppl get upset more if the team lost rather than if they died, thats how our server works with strategy and balance, so take ur awpa and autos and shoot them up ur butthurt ass. Whether u're 26 or just 6 u ARE a kid because u cant see when u have a lost cause and yet u continue to bicker. u're enjoying erdenay's replies because he's giving u the time of day bcos he has patience, but at the end of the day, neither u,or erdenay can make ANY statement that will get ANYTHING changed around here, becauae the actual people that DO have influence on servers are pissed off of their mind because of useless bitching ass. ... Please leave, and bring me hyper back at least he learns.

[StarsMine]

Logan, when making a post, you need to learn how to write well, scribble and spasm are very good at this, brett and cyber not so much.
Write it, keep it CONCISE, and then reread it to look for any tone you did not want or any thing that can misinterpreted and fix it. You seem to feel like you keep getting misinterpreted. That is due to your writing style and tone that is present in your posts. You are allowing it in your writing.

As others have said the AWP does not fit into the playing style of our server, if we introduced it, we would have to retool most of the other races to fit. That's just something we are not interested in doing. The restricted races are restricted as others have said, vagabond has a hell of a time killing another vagabond.

[CYBER]

Logan, when making a post, you need to learn how to write well, scribble and spasm are very good at this, brett and cyber not so much. Write it, keep it CONCISE, and then reread it to look for any tone you did not want or any thing that can misinterpreted and fix it. You seem to feel like you keep getting misinterpreted. That is due to your writing style and tone that is present in your posts. You are allowing it in your writing. As others have said the AWP does not fit into the playing style of our server, if we introduced it, we would have to retool most of the other races to fit. That's just something we are not interested in doing. The restricted races are restricted as others have said, vagabond has a hell of a time killing another vagabond.

Party pooper! Also, fuck u! ... But u're right, my posts are the holy grail of grammatically incorrect posts... Heck even this one takes the cake. But refardless of u crappy grammar, i do insist on the points i brought up. Ciao now, i have anoter thread to flame.

[LogaN]

Now about the auto snipers and awps, i would definitely enable awps just because they really aren't great in wcs servers unless you have a race for them. On Ibis there is many races that have speed boosts and evasion and can fly, making awping without any other special powers really hard. Awp is expensive, heavy, and if you want to waste your money on it then go ahead.Can people do good with an awp? yeah of course, but would it be OP or imbalanced? i would say definitely no.
And auto snipers are different because they shoot at a faster rate, and are very accurate and this could be a small problem with some of the races like raiden, even though i still think it would be pretty useless against most races on most maps to even use auto.

Exactly!

stop taking pride in servers that just buy race packa for a price and just spam the server with shitty re-used races to make money off of u,

Again u r talking about things u dont know...

and we care more about a team win than a personal gain. I would gladly take a bullet from a more pivotal team member if i can ensure the team victory, and ppl get upset more if the team lost rather than if they died, thats how our server works with strategy and balance,

Thats how i think! If my team is losing i change to a race like blood mage to help the team and not to a race that counters the guy on the enemy team with most kills or to a race thats strong so i have a better score... thats why i gave the sugetion to races that ress ppl to get small bonus exp...

Write it, keep it CONCISE, and then reread it to look for any tone you did not want or any thing that can misinterpreted and fix it. You seem to feel like you keep getting misinterpreted. That is due to your writing style and tone that is present in your posts. You are allowing it in your writing.

I try... every time i make a post i copy all quotes to a text doc so i can read everything over and over again i never wanted to sound rude or make u guys think that i want to FORCE u to CHANGE things i was trying to give sugestions...

As others have said the AWP does not fit into the playing style of our server, if we introduced it, we would have to retool most of the other races to fit. That's just something we are not interested in doing. The restricted races are restricted as others have said, vagabond has a hell of a time killing another vagabond.

hyper thinks like me about awp and auto :P
i didnt sugest them to be unretritecd so i could use them, i did it because i really think that they are not as good as most of u say because they are heavy and theres alot of races with high speed, invisibility, long jump etc... I really hate ppl running around with weapons like p90 spray and preying wich takes no skill and u dont see me saying that it should be restricted...

[acolyte_to_jippity]

hyper thinks like me about awp and auto

you don't know just how much that hurts your position.

http://www.ibisgaming.com/wcs_stats/player.php?id=26889

[LogaN]

you don't know just how much that hurts your position.

Why? what he said about those weapons being heavy, slow at reloading and easy to evade its true.... they are part of the game if they were broken i think valve would change them... I played 1.6 for years and i dont remember seeing a server where awp and auto were retricted in source they are in almost every server... When i played source every day i played in servers where u could buy awp and i always played with scout wich i think is 100x better than awp.

[Erdenay]

I didnt attack the server if it sounded like that im sorry i just tried to point flaw and give sugetions... But i really disgree when someone says that they r balanced when only 3 races can counter them and they can if u see them if u dont u r dead. but the thing that annoys me is that with their ulti they get to u in seconds and u dont even hear footsteps i rather play against a race thats always 100% invisible but i can hear them than against a vaga -.-

No problem - but it definitely did sound like this server is awful, other servers are good, blah blah. Um, if you don't mind me asking, which 3 races can counter vagas? I can easily counter vaga with pretty much ANY race and I believe most of the players are able to do as well. The key to countering vagas are playing smart - if you don't want to die, don't be staying at open spaces and try to lure vagas in corridors and etc. Always buy a lace, use the flashlight. All these things I've mentioned before and they're just some rather basic counters to vaga... Trust me, you can easily counter them if you want. As far as not hearing footsteps... They have a VERY, VERY distinct woosh sound which makes them very easy to hear.

Vagas are retricted to scout/knife or only knife even if awp wasnt restricted they couldnt buy it :P. And i think i would prefer a vaga with an awp but without their ulti than a vaga as they r now...

I was getting an idea you were suggesting an awp for vaga - my bad. However, races like raiden, nebula, human, molecule would ABUSE badly with an awp, so I honestly don't see how this would be helping the server rather than just giving more people a reason to complain. Hah - perhaps quite a few would, but it's a no-no for 2 reasons:
1) People could pick up an AWP after vaga's death.
2) Vaga without his ultimate is no longer a vaga - that would kill one of the favourite races in the server and that's just not going to happen.

I dont have problem with those... the only thing i dont like is the "new" bash that mess up ur aim -.-

Precisely. If anything, that's a much bigger problem than vagabonds as it was actually not like that in the old server - and it's change that probably should be made... But it won't happen from what I understood.

The problem is their mobility is alot higher than most of the other races if u dont want to nerf them atleast buff the others... they Already have high speed, low grav, invisiblity, stun, flickering why they need an ultimate that makes them go "around the world" in 3 seconds...
Someone that knows how to bhop just need speed and low grav to go "around the world" in 5 secs why would they need more?

Buff in how? Vagalion is already pretty damn easy to counter in almost any map and there's very few people that give problems to me as lion. Vagabond is a bigger problem and on some maps - I do agree somewhat.. But all in all, they are definitely NOT op and you can still counter them without buffing any other races. Furthermore, if you would start buffing other races, that could cause a lot of problems and would need a lot of testing and work... Definitely not worth it.

Well i made a list with some but after reading ur post i deleted the ones about changing vagas and spider ulti but i still thing that their mobility is to high..


Tell me what u think about them:

Add the window that u get with blood mage telling u that u revived someone to other races that can ress instead of just text(So u can easily see it and do need to look at the chat).

Races that can revive ppl could get a small amount of xp when ppl revived by them get kills. This would make ppl level their ress skills first to help their team win the round.

Knife and head shot kill could give a xp bonus.

Drecrease the number of items u can buy to 1. Races should be good because their skill set is good not because u have good items.

Get a bonus exp if u plant/defuse/save hosties (teammates around u also get the bonus).

If the code that makes u unable to go past the maxed skill levels is hard to change u could add something like this, if u win a around with a maxed race and didnt die u would get like 100xp added to a bank then u could add it to anyother race u have.

If i remember anything else ill add more.

*Sigh* This actually does show that you've not been paying attention. As Blackout answered... Most of these are already in the server. (Knife/HS bonus xp, hostie/bomb xp, etc)

I don't like any other suggestions bad giving the xp to the resser if a player who was revived would get a kill - but as far as I can recall, that has already been discussed (as noted by Blackout) and it seems the idea was denied.

@ Cyber

Dear mother of good... Were you INTENTIONALLY trying to type bad while you were raging?

Although you do make a few valid points - with the most valid point being your last. Logan, Cyber is correct - both me and you have very little power in the hierarchy (that would be true for Cyber too) as we are not in the clan. You're just a regular, I'm a puny admin and Cyber's a puny ULA - we all have a very limited say of what's going to be implemented. Unless you bring a REALLY good idea, don't expect anything to happen.

@ Starsmine

Ditto. You make excellent points about that as well.

you don't know just how much that hurts your position.

http://www.ibisgaming.com/wcs_stats/player.php?id=26889

Hah, this. Hyper has been raging on the forums quite a well - and most of people disagree with most of his ideas.

Why? what he said about those weapons being heavy, slow at reloading and easy to evade its true.... they are part of the game if they were broken i think valve would change them... I played 1.6 for years and i dont remember seeing a server where awp and auto were retricted in source they are in almost every server... When i played source every day i played in servers where u could buy awp and i always played with scout wich i think is 100x better than awp.

Have you seen the amount of people complaining about AWP? This is the by far most argued and discussed weapon in CS - and while it would be too far to say it's broken, it's definitely more powerful than any other weapon and that along with extra damage would be deadly. Also, not sure why would you use scout (and don't forget it's your opinion), but with AWP you will kill the person with 1 shot MOST of the time and if you are a good shooter... Ouch.

[LogaN]

but with AWP you will kill the person with 1 shot MOST of the time and if you are a good shooter... Ouch.

I started to buy scout instead of awp because when i came to source from 1.6 i was almost always the first one to pick awp and alot of ppl from my team killed me because they thought i was using an exploit wich was already fixed -.-. And i played mostly with scout because im a good shooter if u check my stats page(acolyte posted it before) my headshot % is the 3rd highest from top 200 and scout always kills with headshots.

[maynard]

stop talking about the awp, it's not gonna happen... -end.