Next time someone bitches about impalance

[Erdenay]

I didnt attack the server if it sounded like that im sorry i just tried to point flaw and give sugetions... But i really disgree when someone says that they r balanced when only 3 races can counter them and they can if u see them if u dont u r dead. but the thing that annoys me is that with their ulti they get to u in seconds and u dont even hear footsteps i rather play against a race thats always 100% invisible but i can hear them than against a vaga -.-

No problem - but it definitely did sound like this server is awful, other servers are good, blah blah. Um, if you don't mind me asking, which 3 races can counter vagas? I can easily counter vaga with pretty much ANY race and I believe most of the players are able to do as well. The key to countering vagas are playing smart - if you don't want to die, don't be staying at open spaces and try to lure vagas in corridors and etc. Always buy a lace, use the flashlight. All these things I've mentioned before and they're just some rather basic counters to vaga... Trust me, you can easily counter them if you want. As far as not hearing footsteps... They have a VERY, VERY distinct woosh sound which makes them very easy to hear.

Vagas are retricted to scout/knife or only knife even if awp wasnt restricted they couldnt buy it :P. And i think i would prefer a vaga with an awp but without their ulti than a vaga as they r now...

I was getting an idea you were suggesting an awp for vaga - my bad. However, races like raiden, nebula, human, molecule would ABUSE badly with an awp, so I honestly don't see how this would be helping the server rather than just giving more people a reason to complain. Hah - perhaps quite a few would, but it's a no-no for 2 reasons:
1) People could pick up an AWP after vaga's death.
2) Vaga without his ultimate is no longer a vaga - that would kill one of the favourite races in the server and that's just not going to happen.

I dont have problem with those... the only thing i dont like is the "new" bash that mess up ur aim -.-

Precisely. If anything, that's a much bigger problem than vagabonds as it was actually not like that in the old server - and it's change that probably should be made... But it won't happen from what I understood.

The problem is their mobility is alot higher than most of the other races if u dont want to nerf them atleast buff the others... they Already have high speed, low grav, invisiblity, stun, flickering why they need an ultimate that makes them go "around the world" in 3 seconds...
Someone that knows how to bhop just need speed and low grav to go "around the world" in 5 secs why would they need more?

Buff in how? Vagalion is already pretty damn easy to counter in almost any map and there's very few people that give problems to me as lion. Vagabond is a bigger problem and on some maps - I do agree somewhat.. But all in all, they are definitely NOT op and you can still counter them without buffing any other races. Furthermore, if you would start buffing other races, that could cause a lot of problems and would need a lot of testing and work... Definitely not worth it.

Well i made a list with some but after reading ur post i deleted the ones about changing vagas and spider ulti but i still thing that their mobility is to high..


Tell me what u think about them:

Add the window that u get with blood mage telling u that u revived someone to other races that can ress instead of just text(So u can easily see it and do need to look at the chat).

Races that can revive ppl could get a small amount of xp when ppl revived by them get kills. This would make ppl level their ress skills first to help their team win the round.

Knife and head shot kill could give a xp bonus.

Drecrease the number of items u can buy to 1. Races should be good because their skill set is good not because u have good items.

Get a bonus exp if u plant/defuse/save hosties (teammates around u also get the bonus).

If the code that makes u unable to go past the maxed skill levels is hard to change u could add something like this, if u win a around with a maxed race and didnt die u would get like 100xp added to a bank then u could add it to anyother race u have.

If i remember anything else ill add more.

*Sigh* This actually does show that you've not been paying attention. As Blackout answered... Most of these are already in the server. (Knife/HS bonus xp, hostie/bomb xp, etc)

I don't like any other suggestions bad giving the xp to the resser if a player who was revived would get a kill - but as far as I can recall, that has already been discussed (as noted by Blackout) and it seems the idea was denied.

@ Cyber

Dear mother of good... Were you INTENTIONALLY trying to type bad while you were raging?

Although you do make a few valid points - with the most valid point being your last. Logan, Cyber is correct - both me and you have very little power in the hierarchy (that would be true for Cyber too) as we are not in the clan. You're just a regular, I'm a puny admin and Cyber's a puny ULA - we all have a very limited say of what's going to be implemented. Unless you bring a REALLY good idea, don't expect anything to happen.

@ Starsmine

Ditto. You make excellent points about that as well.

you don't know just how much that hurts your position.

http://www.ibisgaming.com/wcs_stats/player.php?id=26889

Hah, this. Hyper has been raging on the forums quite a well - and most of people disagree with most of his ideas.

Why? what he said about those weapons being heavy, slow at reloading and easy to evade its true.... they are part of the game if they were broken i think valve would change them... I played 1.6 for years and i dont remember seeing a server where awp and auto were retricted in source they are in almost every server... When i played source every day i played in servers where u could buy awp and i always played with scout wich i think is 100x better than awp.

Have you seen the amount of people complaining about AWP? This is the by far most argued and discussed weapon in CS - and while it would be too far to say it's broken, it's definitely more powerful than any other weapon and that along with extra damage would be deadly. Also, not sure why would you use scout (and don't forget it's your opinion), but with AWP you will kill the person with 1 shot MOST of the time and if you are a good shooter... Ouch.