WCS autobalance tweek?

[CYBER]

Hey @Zero,
Currently the autobalance (when there's 2+ number of players difference in teams) randomly selects a player from the excess team to the other team.
This is currently causing a lot of issues in wcs though, because it seems to also pick people on restricted races, throwing them into the other team where someone has a restricted race too, making you lose your race and forced to switch off. Leaving the excess team with a chance to steal the race from you.

1- Can you make it so that the autobalance selects players NOT on restricted races for the autobalance first? if anything, it should randomly select a player to be switched, check if he would retain his race after the switch (ideally non restricted race, or if the race limit didnt get exceeded on target team), and then switch them. If it were to kick them off, randomly select another guy? If all are restricted, fuck 'em, switch nway:P

is that possible? please? i dont see why a player who got on a race first on a team, gets randomly kicked off it with autoswitch bcos the other team players are leaving ... it already happened to me 5 times last few days...

2- Any chance we could get a ruling on whether or not the player can keep dibs on a restricted race after switched by autobalance?
I was asked to rule such scenario where the fucking vagalion got switched and the player couldnt get back to his team for like 5 rounds bcos of the balance...
So i made an exceptional ruling of switching the player back with a random guy and let him keep the race until someone can confirm who gets to keep the race. ideally this problem would be bypassed with the "checker" up top...

thanks.

[Erdenay]

Just something I've noticed - almost every time, it's not a random selection from the opposing team: it's the player with the lowest score that is moved.

[HypeRNT]

or a simple 30 second fix would be to limit players by selecting AUTO-SELECT team only and therefor would always have balanced teams and when needed admins can switch players for what ever reason(if playing with friends) hence removing any problems of not having balanced teams.

[Pit_Viper1]

or a simple 30 second fix would be to limit players by selecting AUTO-SELECT team only and therefor would always have balanced teams and when needed admins can switch players for what ever reason(if playing with friends) hence removing any problems of not having balanced teams.

This^

I've been saying for a while that auto-assign needs to be the only option on the wcs server. There are far too many people who will ONLY play on one team and too many maps that will have people waiting in spec to join a specific team.

[maynard]

yes, you keep the race if this happens. get back 2 your proper team, ask an admin for help if needed and take your race back.

or a simple 30 second fix would be to limit players by selecting AUTO-SELECT team only

Fuck no. that's beyond a retarded idea... cause one, people like playing certain sides depending on the map... and 2.... even if you could only select auto select... you will still end up the majority of the time with 1 team doing far better... meaning... people will still qq the teams aren't fair.

[ZERO]

It should be possible to implement some sort of check for the races. However I would need to actually create from scratch an auto balance program that then uses this information. Currently it just uses the valve default plugin.

[CYBER]

Tom.its not always the lowest score because i was team leading as vaga in one of those instances, it was a good balance in general because the teams got even but inlost my race for a while until the other guy got bored and switched off...As for hyper, ur comment reminded me of smthn. There was a a feature on a counter strik server i played in that basically checks how many wins in a ROW a team got. If a team got more than 4 wins in a row, without the other team winning once , it would basically scramble the teams (while keeping them on their race limits), it made it interesting bcos sometimes u're a T and sometimes ct and needed to change strategies and tactics with partners against enemies iff the team was OP as fuck for 4 wins in a row. ( for us it would me like 7 wins maybe, this gives u enough chances to try to counter the races and play smart, and at least win once! If STILL cant win a single time after 7 times, it scrambles u. 4 wins can very easily be comeback or interrupted with a win. 7 means shit hit the fan. Thoughts?

[HypeRNT]

Tom.its not always the lowest score because i was team leading as vaga in one of those instances, it was a good balance in general because the teams got even but inlost my race for a while until the other guy got bored and switched off...As for hyper, ur comment reminded me of smthn. There was a a feature on a counter strik server i played in that basically checks how many wins in a ROW a team got. If a team got more than 4 wins in a row, without the other team winning once , it would basically scramble the teams (while keeping them on their race limits), it made it interesting bcos sometimes u're a T and sometimes ct and needed to change strategies and tactics with partners against enemies iff the team was OP as fuck for 4 wins in a row. ( for us it would me like 7 wins maybe, this gives u enough chances to try to counter the races and play smart, and at least win once! If STILL cant win a single time after 7 times, it scrambles u. 4 wins can very easily be comeback or interrupted with a win. 7 means shit hit the fan. Thoughts?

Like that idea alot, im not sure if it would be easy to do that though. There is also another way were you have the option to join any team, but if you try to join ct's when its full you get auto joined on the other team, so like if there is 2 ct's and 1 t and you try to spam ct button you will get auto joined to terrorist side.

As for maynards post, retarded idea? its not an idea rofl its done in practically every server in every game so keep "retard" word to a minimum please. People like playing certain sides? DUH, pretty sure that's the problem in the first place rofl, hence the thread? One team might win the majority of the games even with auto balance you MAY be correct, but the games would sure be alot closer and more competitive and fun aswell, not many people like getting shit on 10-0(and this is being modest).

As for bretts post, This vaga race problem is because of the rule that makes no sense in any galaxy. No reason for one person to have the imaginary rights to the same race for aslong as he wants to play it.. ESPECIALLY on a 1 per player limited race, that's beyond dumb. You have people who join the server 2 rounds in asking for their race, you have people who join spec and come back asking for their race like we owe them something... As for auto balance, if you have vaga and you get auto balanced to ct's first, you will have that race first, just like right now if you would join the same team you would play that race first, and if you needed to go to another team you can simply ask an admin or ask for some1 to get spec to get auto assigned to the other team, not much different then what we are doing now when 2 people join the same team with the same race.

[brett friggin favre]

Like that idea alot, im not sure if it would be easy to do that though. There is also another way were you have the option to join any team, but if you try to join ct's when its full you get auto joined on the other team, so like if there is 2 ct's and 1 t and you try to spam ct button you will get auto joined to terrorist side .

As for maynards post, retarded idea? its not an idea rofl its done in practically every server in every game so keep "retard" word to a minimum please. People like playing certain sides? DUH, pretty sure that's the problem in the first place rofl, hence the thread? One team might win the majority of the games even with auto balance you MAY be correct, but the games would sure be alot closer and more competitive and fun aswell, not many people like getting shit on 10-0(and this is being modest).

As for bretts post, This vaga race problem is because of the rule that makes no sense in any galaxy. No reason for one person to have the imaginary rights to the same race for aslong as he wants to play it.. ESPECIALLY on a 1 per player limited race, that's beyond dumb. You have people who join the server 2 rounds in asking for their race, you have people who join spec and come back asking for their race like we owe them something... As for auto balance, if you have vaga and you get auto balanced to ct's first, you will have that race first, just like right now if you would join the same team you would play that race first, and if you needed to go to another team you can simply ask an admin or ask for some1 to get spec to get auto assigned to the other team, not much different then what we are doing now when 2 people join the same team with the same race.

Nobody should be free to play vaga as long as they want? Fuck you asshole, i live in America, this server's in our capital, our players can play whatever they wanna play. We're not fucking socialists here, not yet anyway, they don't have to share shit. If you have a sweet ass car, guess what, that car's yours as long as you want it and you don't have to share it. If you're on vaga, shit's yours. Quit bitching about the rule, nobody's gonna change it just cuz some joe blow is butthurt since he can't play vaga.

And asking admins to change your team is exactly the headache I'm talking about. Nobody wants to deal with that every fucking round. You're also assuming:

1. The player asking to be switched actually was vaga last map.
2. The player who has taken over vaga on the other team will just give it up
3. There is an admin on who knows what he's doing
4. The admin also is willing to waste a round or 2 straightening everything out

Not going to happen. Oh and don't forget your helmet when you leave the house today, it's a dangerous world out there for downsies.

[Blackmage]

A few problems. First, this thread was made because of the issue of autobalance (mid game not team making's auto assign) taking restricted races and putting them on the same team.

Second, many of the matches that go X-0 have more to do with one or two players who are good, rather than team balance. Other times, it's just snowballing, due to item shop. Neither of these things would really be solved by forcing auto-assign. It also would make it harder for various people to try and balance the teams, which sometimes just switch which is the winning team, but I digress.

As for who the rights go for, I believe the theory is "dedication over good machines". When we didn't have this rule, rights just went to those who had the fastest connection, something some people have no control over. The rights exist in any case, we just choose who they go to.

Finally, I love how Zero edited his post, but left Cyber's quote unmodified :P

With love,

Blackmage