Vegas Upper window

[Chikun]

3. Sky walking is permitted provided you’re in a spot that the opposing team can shoot back at. Going under the map, or to any place that allows you to see the enemy, but grants them 0 vision of you is not permitted unless you're passing through the area to get some where else.

Seeing as how there's no where to go and you can patiently wait knowing no one can see you I could see the argument against this spot, as awesome as it is.

[Chef C Green]

I could see the argument against this spot, as awesome as it is.

Yes, but you're not shooting players THROUGH the floor, you still have to peek over the edge of the balcony right? As Blackmail mentioned, there are over half a dozen classes that have the capability to get from the door way to there. If you're falling for them camping there round, after round, after round, that's you're fault... There are other paths to take, as well as the option to fly up there (or near there with a vaga) and check it for your team. Plus how often do we play vegas anyway...?

[Chikun]

Yes, but you're not shooting players THROUGH the floor, you still have to peek over the edge of the balcony right? As Blackmail mentioned, there are over half a dozen classes that have the capability to get from the door way to there. If you're falling for them camping there round, after round, after round, that's you're fault... There are other paths to take, as well as the option to fly up there (or near there with a vaga) and check it for your team. Plus how often do we play vegas anyway...?

The rule which I quoted in its entirety states that its against the rules to go to areas on the map that allow you to see the enemy through things the opposing player cannot unless you are "just passing through". It does specify shooting but it also implies that simply being able to see the enemy through walls when you aren't "just passing through" is also illegal.

[CYBER]

Hiding there is fine, even is completely invisible. The ONLY thing that matters is that you cannot SHOOT an enemy through wall or floor since they cant see u or shoot back. U hAve to PEEK out to kill someone. And that's where the other guy has a chance to wait for that peek and retaliate. If u are too dumb not to check that spot likee u would for skywlkers above bombsites on dust2, then u suck. its the same euling as hell hunter, perfectly fine as long as theyr have to be visible when they SHOOT u. Also, u can plant elsewhere or change race to human and tele to them wvery round when not expecting... Force them out... Even better, go shadow hunter and go to the bombsite feom the bottom elevetator-window thing with the zipline across and ward the living fuck under that upper window without touching bombsite obviously. U can either kill them with wards, or hear their damage and know to expect someone there... Thats what i do, works for me.

[Chikun]

Hiding there is fine, even is completely invisible. The ONLY thing that matters is that you cannot SHOOT an enemy through wall or floor since they cant see u or shoot back. U hAve to PEEK out to kill someone. And that's where the other guy has a chance to wait for that peek and retaliate. If u are too dumb not to check that spot likee u would for skywlkers above bombsites on dust2, then u suck. its the same euling as hell hunter, perfectly fine as long as theyr have to be visible when they SHOOT u. Also, u can plant elsewhere or change race to human and tele to them wvery round when not expecting... Force them out... Even better, go shadow hunter and go to the bombsite feom the bottom elevetator-window thing with the zipline across and ward the living fuck under that upper window without touching bombsite obviously. U can either kill them with wards, or hear their damage and know to expect someone there... Thats what i do, works for me.

If the rule only applies to shooting I think it should be worded better to reflect that. Give me some credit that the way it's currently worded gives my argument some validation.

[CYBER]

If the rule only applies to shooting I think it should be worded better to reflect that. Give me some credit that the way it's currently worded gives my argument some validation.

Its annoying me that we have had those rules for the longest time, and every single one of those rulesIs being recently questionned. It's like u guys are intentionnally looming for exploits... But wtvr, the rule says that skywalking is allowed as long as you are visible, u can only be fully hidden if ONLYgoing through that part to a visible location (hence the "u can be fully invisible section as long as u have toGo to a visible spot for shooting "part)

[Chikun]

It's annoying me that we have had those rules for the longest time and every single one of those rules are being recently questionned. It's like you guys are intentionally looming for exploits... But whatever, the rule says that skywalking is allowed as long as you are visible. You can only be fully hidden if ONLY going through that part to a visible location (hence the "you can be fully invisible section as long as you go to a visible spot for shooting" part.)

Question everything, despise gray areas, and people who look for and abuse exploits tend to not point them out. The issue being brought up is that people aren't going through that room to get anywhere else, they're going to it instead which the rule does not specify as to the legallity of such behavior. If there were different pathways to go to and from that hidden area like a hell hunter in dust2 using the skywalking technique to traverse the bombsites quickly, that would be different. However, in the current way the rule is written it clearly states that the act of seeing an enemy with them being unable to see you (race abilities excluded) is illegal unless you are passing through; and in the case of this instance, there is no "passing through" with the second balcony as it's a destination and not a path.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

Hiding there is fine, even is completely invisible. The ONLY thing that matters is that you cannot SHOOT an enemy through wall or floor since they cant see u or shoot back. U hAve to PEEK out to kill someone. And that's where the other guy has a chance to wait for that peek and retaliate. If u are too dumb not to check that spot likee u would for skywlkers above bombsites on dust2, then u suck. its the same euling as hell hunter, perfectly fine as long as theyr have to be visible when they SHOOT u. Also, u can plant elsewhere or change race to human and tele to them wvery round when not expecting... Force them out... Even better, go shadow hunter and go to the bombsite feom the bottom elevetator-window thing with the zipline across and ward the living fuck under that upper window without touching bombsite obviously. U can either kill them with wards, or hear their damage and know to expect someone there... Thats what i do, works for me.

you can see out of the apartment though, without being seen. you can't sit there watching for people 100% out of sight. that's explicitly not allowed.

[HypeRNT]

Yes, but you're not shooting players THROUGH the floor, you still have to peek over the edge of the balcony right? As Blackmail mentioned, there are over half a dozen classes that have the capability to get from the door way to there. If you're falling for them camping there round, after round, after round, that's you're fault... There are other paths to take, as well as the option to fly up there (or near there with a vaga) and check it for your team. Plus how often do we play vegas anyway...?

It really shouldn't matter how many times the map is played or who is camping round after round, the point is you are exploiting a piece of the map that was not meant to be used that way which is illegal/glitching and therefor should not be allowed, pretty simple.

Just because you cant shoot through there should not mean its ok. If a person with wallhacks came in and said, well i wasn't shooting thru the wall, even tho i can see every1 i ran up to them with a huge advantage knowing were they are at without them knowing were im at...

You can peak,then shoot, and it will be the same shit because you have an advantage that the other player does not, which is illegal exploit, this is pretty simple of a glitch.

[Akoiah]

I never understood why the area above the cs_italy tunnel is not against the rules. Obviously the person camping up there can see through the ceiling, but the players below cannot see up through the roof. I realize the rule is, if you can see them it is fair game. But the person up top ALWAYS takes cover and reloads behind the invisible roof, allowing them to safely reload and keep an eye on the players below, which i'm pretty sure is against the rules since you cannot go anywhere where people cannot see you. Anyone want to clear this up for me? I've seen admins do it.

edit: just read the link blackmage posted. is that really the rule? i've had multiple different admins tell me you cannot hide where other people cannot see you