Balancing weapons.

[Masskid]

If you read what Zero said you will see that a skill with 30% proc chance IF all bullets hit with a weapon that shoots 3 bullets in 3 seconds the proc chance will be 90%(30% per bullet) when with a weapon which shoots 1 bullet in 3 seconds the proc chance will be 30%(30% per bullet). (Remember what i said IF ALL BULLETS HIT).

umm its 90% chance to proc once >.> for it to proc 3 times its still a 30% chance

Also
Whats the point in buying a TMP? it does little dmg and with your change it will proc less... so I'm not about to spend money on a weapon which sucks >.>

[brett friggin favre]

you will just never learn that sometimes, you are wrong. -.-

you're also putting a lot of stock in k/d and scores, which means jack shit in wcs.

[LogaN]

Not what you said last night! WA BAM!

LOL i knew you would say something like that or what most ppl say "that's what she said"

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you will just never learn that sometimes, you are wrong. -.-

you're also putting a lot of stock in k/d and scores, which means jack shit in wcs.

Your posts also mean "jack shit" to me because all you do is flame.

[Erdenay]

umm its 90% chance to proc once >.> for it to proc 3 times its still a 30% chance

Also
Whats the point in buying a TMP? it does little dmg and with your change it will proc less... so I'm not about to spend money on a weapon which sucks >.>

you will just never learn that sometimes, you are wrong. -.-

you're also putting a lot of stock in k/d and scores, which means jack shit in wcs.

What these 2 gentlemen said.

[Blackmage]

Forgot my quote...

Yea they should fit in different scenarios but they doesn't here. The weapon with higher fire rate will be better because it will stun, shake, blind and do extra damage more often. If you don't belive test it.

Yes, and the stronger gun will: kill someone faster. Bash someone 5 times with a TMP just to be killed, or get 3 hits in with a M4 with no procs just to kill them. Burst fire with a glock for procs, or go for the one Deag. For damage abilities, most are either flat and low or percentage of what you dealt.

We'll go with Orc's damage ability, 15%, just over 1 in 7 chance in procing, shooting people with 100 health. Now I'm going to show some random numbers:

3 shots: 34-49, hits about every 3rd person. Whichever hit it's on is a kill. So, 7-9 hits for 3 kills. 14-18 hits for 6 kills.
4 shots: 30-33, hits about every other person. They die in one, so it's 5-8 for 2 kills, 15-24 hits for 6 kills.
4 shots: 25-29, hits about every other person. They die in two, so 6-8 hits for 2 kills. 18-24 hits for 6 kills.
5 shots: 24, hits virtually every other person. They die in two, so 7-10 shots for 2 kills. 21-30 hits for 6 kills.
5 shots: 20-24, hits virtually every other person. They die in three hits, so 8-10 shots for 2 kills, 24-30 hits for 6 kills.

I think I had a point some time ago, but totally lost track of it while doing Maths...

However, p90 is in the topX because A: it's 2,400. B: it doesn't have to be reloaded a lot. However, let's look at the top 10 players top 3 guns in order:

Aleko: m4, p90, ak
Masskid: m4, ak, knife (p90 is 12th, under glock)
Britney: p90, m4, dualies
(the infrequent) Guanyu: p90, m4, ak
Tom: m4, ak, p90
Fallen: p90, ak, m4
wizard ninja: m4, ak, knife (p90 is 6th, under vagabond)
Ender: m4, ak, p90
Spasm: m4, vagabond, ak (p90 is 5th, under knife)

The 11th: H4X0R: M4, AK, both nebula abilities, p90

You know, I DO notice a gun in EVERY one of those top 3 guns. 14th is the first place without m4 in the top 3 guns (silly Rev Maynard!). There are 4 people in the top 50 without it in their top 3. I lost my place, it's either 17 or 21 of the top 50 without p90 in their top 3.

The top 3 guns, and the number of kills with them are:

m4a1 1,902,491
ak47 1,312,496
p90 1,097,987

[What]

If you read what Zero said you will see that a skill with 30% proc chance IF all bullets hit with a weapon that shoots 3 bullets in 3 seconds the proc chance will be 90%(30% per bullet) when with a weapon which shoots 1 bullet in 3 seconds the proc chance will be 30%(30% per bullet). (Remember what i said IF ALL BULLETS HIT).

I hope you understand what i just said and don't say that i said things i didn't.

I dont know how i missed that. Thats not how percentages work. If something has a 50% chance of happening and you do it twice its not a 100% chance of happening, its only 50% per chance, the amount of times you do it increase the odds it may happen but you don't add percentages like that, i guess you do have something to learn. WA SLAM!

[Bane of Soldiers]

I never said that.

If you read what Zero said you will see that a skill with 30% proc chance IF all bullets hit with a weapon that shoots 3 bullets in 3 seconds the proc chance will be 90%(30% per bullet) when with a weapon which shoots 1 bullet in 3 seconds the proc chance will be 30%(30% per bullet). (Remember what i said IF ALL BULLETS HIT).

I hope you understand what i just said and don't say that i said things i didn't.

this will be hard from an itouch....
Since you were complaining about fast firing weapons always performing better, I assumed that this was in comparison to the slower firing guns. My bad if I misinterpreted something about that comment?

And I don't understand why the Proc rate of a slow shooting gun has to equal the Proc rate of a fast firing one. It's counterintuitive to probability. Also, three independent probablities of 30% doesn't equate to a 90% Proc? Not in practice it won't. Which is all still irrlevant because there isn't a good reason to make these rates equal anyway? Refer to Proc rate being a facet of hit rate, weapon niches, and tradeoff of weapons.

[Masskid]

I derped up my % xD don't pay any attention to it, it's late and I don't like math

[Bane of Soldiers]

Also, what blackmage, Brett, masskid, and what said.

[CYBER]

Sorry but i don't need to learn and i can adapt.As you can see i can get good scores even on the losing team.(Never changed teams in any of those maps)http://i.imgur.com/Pj4GP.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/cRTSj.jpgI never said that.If you read what Zero said you will see that a skill with 30% proc chance IF all bullets hit with a weapon that shoots 3 bullets in 3 seconds the proc chance will be 90%(30% per bullet) when with a weapon which shoots 1 bullet in 3 seconds the proc chance will be 30%(30% per bullet). (Remember what i said IF ALL BULLETS HIT). I hope you understand what i just said and don't say that i said things i didn't.

LOL, u seriously think these are good scores? A 16-1 on a WINNING TEAM with 0 wins for adversaries, and then a 23-16 was it? Lfft, start pulling 93-2 like spasm, or 70-1 like aleko, or 40-5 like an decent player on a good day, THEN i might actually gIve a fuck about what u're saying. ( well not rly bcos what u're saying is dumb, but wtvr).... I still say is that u are sucking balls at the game and are trying to tweek it to ur personal preferences... And failing horribly at it. I'd give u arguements as to what u're argueing about is stupid, but i'd be just repeating what the others already told u... *sigh* i cnt believe i actually like nemesis more than u... Here's the sad truth: u just depicted urself as the jester clown in the ibis society, and anything u say from now on will never be taken seriously, simply because u know jack shit abou anything and u're trying to suggest shit that goes against all that wcs stands for. Go make me a race, i dare u, just go suggest a race for me with decent attributes/skill/balance/gameplay... I can almost guarantee that it would be beyond stupid or recycled or overpowered as fuck simply because u dnt know how everything is connected to give that amazing balance that we have. Bottom line, dont expect the server to change to babysitt the fail players that cant be creative and adapt face and learn how to counter people and use shit based on environmet and others... If we start changing our standards for any second hand player that is crying too hard for not being able to get what they wanted in game, then wcs will become the new zmod of useless, unskilled, annoying, rejects of the interwebs. Suck it up, learn to change YOUR style to fit the gameplay offered, Nd stop bitching left and right about everything that doesnt conform to ur own preferences. Dnt reply to me, im not even gonna bother reading a reply, but im telling u that u're waisting everyone's and ur time... Someone tell nemesis i love him( no racist homo)... That logan guy's got me more tolerant of people who get on my nerves....