I know this is beatin a dead horse, but the handicap sux. Its just way to high. Plus you have ppl who will leave and come back when they know they will start on 15 more than halfway thru the guns so they can get an easy win (cough cough mutt)seen it twice from him just today. I really think it should be low if none, i mean who cares for the ppl who come in late, let someone who actually played the whole map win. The late joiners will have thier chance next map, if they dont rq b/c they have to get thru all the guns to win.