Z20 Summit

[anex]

Right, I'll just .1 to the v2.2 rule set.


Alright, next topic!

Only two people are allowed per vent opening

Do you guys care for this rule? If so, we can try to either rework it or leave it alone. I'm totally fine with leaving this under the definition of "vent" and not crouched enterance. I think the principle behind its creation was how its very similar to the two per tube rule. Usually anymore than two per enterance ends up with the same result as more than two in a tube.

I think admins are grasping at straws when they try to rule the "two per vent opening" as "two per crouched opening".

[Steamer]

Vent and vent only is fine IMO. Some areas are ridiculous though, yet it has always been so. The good zombies can and will get the good players and if not, well kill the noobs and lose kills from decent players on your ridiculous spots. It is not an impossibility to tag the crowd under wider crouch area's. It is however nearly impossible at times to get great players under a deep crouched area (even 2 [GREAT PLAYERS!] in vents at times) with single body spaces. The spot in snoopie may have to be addressed some then again maybe not. Nowadays its boring with all the shottys and paras and most zombies avoid it anyway. Years ago people had enough respect to use anything but shotguns or paras and it was a great fun rape fest. The vents in labor gigantic of course might need an exemption.

[Meltdown]

Yes new zombie players should be more encouraged at becoming a good zombie rather then being good human. The lack of good teamwork makes it sometimes to easy for humans to survive and to be honest if there would be good zombie squad with balanced zombie classes I think most of the hard to get spots will become much easier it just bit of experience and keep trying.

I love being a zombie but there no such thing that makes me more starter zombie and also I think the ranking favours people to be human to obtain more points then while being a zombie so people prefer to stay human and when there zombie they rather give up easily.

[Pl@YwithM3]

hoi, i want in on this topic;

vent / crouch spots: anyone (i think) would agree that no more than 2 per tube is an obvious done deal, so next. in special cases such as snoopy or fubar ect, that "debate" is just a mess of bs. different admins have different opinions on how it should be, but the inevitable catch is that its damn near impossible to enforce it in the heat of the moment unless an admin feels like taking their sweet time to pay close attention and slay / scold each an every person who crawls in the space after 2 ppl. an even AFTER you do it, it will happen again. scenarios like those are (currently) impossible to maintain steadily, no matter what our ruling is on it. if you wanna try an edit the map an cut down the space in w.e crouch spot it is than that may be the best (only) solution. but in the end i agree with anex completely about those clusterfucked crouchspots; twice the pride, double the fall.

friendly zambies: im in favor i think its fun(ny) to have them. however i only agree to this as long as they arent dicking around and getting in the way, AND that when / if they are caded / hidden with the last remaining humans, that they immediatly tag or ztele out for obvious reasons. its just me but thats the policy ive always gone with an its done well thus far.

slaying / blowing up ppl who ignore admins / break a rule has always been a favorite punishment of mine, so yeah i dont think we need forced ztele back because it just doesnt send people the same message as when they get their asses blown up... but again... thats just me

along with B1ack0uts post, i agree we need a solid master list of legal and illegal cades so there isnt any bickoring or missunderstanding between admins. it just makes us look like idiots in the server when we do that. imo the most critical thing needing to be fixed on the server is how the admins enforce these rules and knowing that admins are enforcing them the RIGHT way and not just based off of a personal opinion. so ya we need a place where all admins can verify what is right and wrong and how to resolve it. or at least revise the one we already have.

teleporters / glitching doors: penumbra or even 4corners for example, i dont think it should be illegal cading teleport-wise. i mean between most the admins/regs, weve ALL proven that you can maneuver around those as a zombie. i mean theres even an abuse thread where bob missguidedly banned a kid for "cade breaking" that teleport spot in penumbra AS A ZOMBIE. so that right there is enough for my opinion on teleport cades. as for glitching doors on the other hand, we already know (i think?!) that its a no no. its just a matter of enforcing it. people do it all the time an its annoying, its just that admins arent paying attention and catching ppl in the act.

the zm/ze Pl@Ying ratio: yeah the rankwhores regs an most admins loathe ze maps, but its what makes all the noobs happy an what KEEPS THEM AROUND! without those obnoxious ze's, us regs can kiss our beloved noobs goodbye when / if we ever decide to make our server zm only, then nobody will wanna Pl@Y. you rankwhores wanna keep your stats goin up? than you can suck it up an sit in spec during ze's, or better yet grow a pair and actually partake. otherwise, no noobs for u, nuff said about that

as for the respect bit being spoken of: that really isnt something we can take charge of or enforce at all. manners an such yeah we can do that. but as for teamwork or zteleing out of a cade when you spawn as zombie, or helping a noob out.. thats just unmanagable. sure as admins we should be making sure everyone is enjoying themselves while they Pl@Y, but we cant make any of those above things manditory because theyre not rules. in the end its all about people as individuals and chosing whether or not we want to be nice to people in game.

o ya... one more thing. the admin panel is glitchy as fck more than often. so if possible, THATS somethin i wouldnt mind being fixed

thats all i got, idk ill post if i think of somethin else

---------- Post added at 05:33 AM ---------- Previous post was at 05:30 AM ----------

!!!!DOUBLE POST ZOMG!!!!!

ghosting, that shit really pisses me off

o an ppl who wait in spec to intentionally spawn as a zambie just to up their stats, it ruins the game

k im done this time for real bye

[Srry72]

o an ppl who wait in spec to intentionally spawn as a zambie just to up their stats, it ruins the game

That's been fixed. Either that or no one has done it in a while

[Meltdown]

That's been fixed. Either that or no one has done it in a while

I see it being done quite many times, I speak to people about it to confront them but as for the rest I don't really care enough. It is silly to go to so much trouble for ranking. I mean what does the rank system mean if people use ways like this? Then people who really earned there way up are being out ranked because of such play style. I never liked this ranking system anyway since it doesn't show the actual best players it is just a side thing to keep people busy and happy the main game is still the zombie mod.

[Steamer]

The admin panel thing seems like some sort of command lag. I can't pinpoint it and reconnecting a billion times till it stops seems to fix it for my session. It does it to me when voice stutters also. No clue, or maybe I just don't care enough to figure it out, seems server sided to me.

[B1ackOut]

Are you talking about the admin menu lagging? All the menus in zombie mod lag, i don't know about the other servers. Could we fix this? It really is very annoying trying to nominate or punish rule breakers without regular characters in their name.

[anex]

@Pl@Y - First off, Ghosting is already against the rules as it says here. Also the two per vent opening rule only applies to vents. (Like in Gigantic) In instances like snoopie or fubar, the rule does not apply because those are instances of a crouched spot.

To not tag is undermining the zombie agenda. If someone in your cade gets tagged, then its game over for everyone in there. A friendly zombie can undermine the whole round because the whole infection process is a chain reaction and if that reaction stops then the game stops being fun.

As for the official list, I'm still working on getting that process up. It will be a little for me to get that area up and running like I have always planned, but over here I am consumed by work. However be rest assured that within the up comming months I will work on it but not as much as I would like. When I get back, I'll have so much pent up zm playing inside of me that I'll have that thing fully functional within a day.

and ya, I don't understand why everyone hates ZE maps ,(Q.Q,) <--- Not play Jurassic Park T(^.^T) <-----Playing Jurassic Park
They really arn't that bad its just people don't know how to play them right. They get mad because its too hard and they want to go back to making simple cades... and ya, rank whores. But I think as Das Fagermeister has already proven that rank whores like ZE maps as well...

@Blackout - Whenever the admin system is lagging for me, I always pull up status and write the command manually... if you can type fast than it is much faster as opposed to going through that hell we call the admin menu. For me, the menu has no problem comming up or navigating through when there arn't that many people in the server. It's when more people join when the menu seriously has lag issues.

@Srry72 - People should become zombies like anyone else does... by getting tagged. If you want to be turned, run to the zombies. I'll update the rules in the next day or two to reflect this idea. Seeing as this is one of the main culprits behind the massive ranking abuse.


While some of you may not care for the ranking system, it does create a spark of competition between new and old players that come into our server and to have people abuse like they have been is really disgrace. Therefore, I propose we have the ranking system reset so everyone will have to start from the bottom.

[Steamer]

While some of you may not care for the ranking system, it does create a spark of competition between new and old players that come into our server and to have people abuse like they have been is really disgrace. Therefore, I propose we have the ranking system reset so everyone will have to start from the bottom.

Idk how the rank system has changed since 07-08, but it really seemed smooth and solid back then. I'm in full favor of a full ranking reset. I have been ranked 2 at one and stay around 50-60 now no matter how much I play. The whoreness nowadys is on a whole other level lol. We ranked up good while being good and having the max amount of fun years ago.