Prison Break Wars (Mafia)

[Erdenay]

Well, the first question becomes, does anyone want to volunteer any information?

Given we have an unknown number of VTs, do we want those players to claim so we don't waste docs on them, or have them stay undercover so the enemy has a harder time shanking the power roles? Not claiming has the problem of letting people hide under the guise of VT when they don't want to claim later, but I think hiding our resources is a good plan.

If we suppose one of the "good" inmates has a "gun/shank", do we want them to use it? If it's one use, I'd say no, but if it's multiple use, it can be used in lieu of a D1 lynch, granted relying on the paranoia of one man. Though we might have a shank anyway if we have a SK.

Anyone want to venture and guesses as to the flavour, such as what the sides are like, or the setup? How many VT and mafia do we think we have? With 14 players, something around 9-5, 9-4-1, 8-4-2. Probably 3 to 5 VT. Mafia probably have 1 or 2 powers. Or do we want to just not make any assumptions? Do we think we have more than 2 sides? I'd assume not, but given how much loyalties shift, could be 2 mafia with 2 or 3 each. On the game flavour, I'm only about half way through the first season, and the only "true" enemies I can see are prison guard McDick and the government people. Everyone else are "good", begrudging allies, or wildcards.

Generally, VT's are the ones who do most discussion and are not afraid to attract attention so the power roles could stay hidden. I'm not really super familiar with the theme (never watched Prison break), but here are my main thoughts:

1) Inmates will be the good guys from what I gather and the guards will be the "baddies" / "mafia"
2) I'd say most likely setup is 10-4 or 9-4-1 with 10-3-2 and 9-3-3 being less likely setups. Fake claims are quite likely as generally those tend to be true in the thematic games, but since this is IBIS, it's only an assumption.
3) Good guys (who should be in the game - correct me if I'm wrong): Michael Scofield / Lincoln Burrows / Veronica Donovan / Lincoln "L. J." Burrows Jr. / Fernando Sucre /Theodore "T-Bag" Bagwell / Benjamin Miles "C-Note" Franklin (?) / Brad Bellick (?)
4) Questionable: Alexander Mahone (?) - seems leaning towards town, but not completely clear.
5) Baddies: John Abruzzi / Roy Geary /etc.
6) Most likely there's a few power roles (doctor/vig/cop/roleblocker + VT's) against a GF + 2 goons?

Well, first, I let out the portion of that post mentioning I am generally against D1 no lynch. As someone once put it, "Lynching can kill scum, scum kills can't". Voting also leads to more information, ect. But given we already have 2 people suggesting no lynch, and not even 1 joke vote, I was looking for a way to still try to get a scum kill. I also DO trust most people here's judgement solo, more than I trust mobs. Also, if we come out collectively and say "don't shoot" rather than leaving it in the air, we make claiming "vig" harder.

Err.. It really depends. In generally, going straight for no lynch is scummy and pressuring people in day 1 often leads to A LOT of information gains later, so I'd generally say voting and attempting to lynch is not a bad thing - after that, it is all situational.

bitch we're all in prison, we're all criminals. shiiiit.

as for lynching or no, it's a crapshoot if we do it. no info to go on. all that's gonna happen is one person gets lynched and whether they're town or not, they're not gonna be happy and may not want to play again. as a courtesy to everyone involved, i say no lynch. in fact, i like that argument a lot.

Vote: no lynch

FoS Brett - however, due to you still being relatively new I'll attribute this to lack of general knowledge than anything else. Going straight to night 1 leaves us with ZERO information which is less than optimal.

So are there any lynch votes yet? I'm currently suspicious of Brett.

though Nem is annoying me.

Any... Specific reasons? You can't just say you're suspicious of someone without stating why... Why are they scummy in your opinion?

We need to get everyone talking before we vote no lynch.

Pretty much this. FoS everyone voting no lynch already.

Day 1 Lynch gives us a look at player actions and claims. It's not about killing someone, it's about watching what people do, and what they say about it.

I will also ask what plan anyone who wants to NL has if they hit our cop.

Related, a discussion on the topic: Here

Exactly this. But good Sir, correct me if I'm wrong, but you were suggesting a no lynch... :^)

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Or nevermind, I re-read everything. 100% what BM said - going no lynch is generally a terrible idea early in the game. At day you're back at the starting point UNLESS someone claims and generally you don't want your power roles to claim early. My bad, misread a bit.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

Day 1 Lynch gives us a look at player actions and claims. It's not about killing someone, it's about watching what people do, and what they say about it.

I will also ask what plan anyone who wants to NL has if they hit our cop.

Related, a discussion on the topic: Here

I will ask you what we plan to do if WE hit our cop on D1.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

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[Lily]

After reading all the post and the scene Cyber posted I'm confused. With me being a new player and not really a prison break follower, I could use some information about what Prison break is about. If I had some more information about the series, I might be able to figure out sooner how this exactly works and might get more 'newbies' like me posting.

Would appreciate it if you old skool people could hrlp me out a bit.

Keeping my vote for now

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

After reading all the post and the scene Cyber posted I'm confused. With me being a new player and not really a prison break follower, I could use some information about what Prison break is about. If I had some more information about the series, I might be able to figure out sooner how this exactly works and might get more 'newbies' like me posting.

Would appreciate it if you old skool people could hrlp me out a bit.

Keeping my vote for now

The theme isnt really relevant, its about deductive reasoning and word play. I have not heard of prison break until this thread but that dosnt mean i cant be an integral part of the mafia game.

[Lily]

I think it is relevant, assuming the roles are based on a tv show. People who do know it, know what kinda roles there might be in the game and can associate that with theme. But its cool, I will figure it out eventually

[Old Bastard]

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[Blackmage]

To hit our cop, something had to happen. We could have had a quick hammer, and we go after the ones who hammered. We had 2 cop claims, which means either this is a dangerous setup, or we have a good target D2. If our cop actively doesn't claim anything at around 6 votes, something's up with the player. If our cop claims VT and gets lynched randomly, then yes, we have an issue.

There's some plans.

[What]

I think it is relevant, assuming the roles are based on a tv show. People who do know it, know what kinda roles there might be in the game and can associate that with theme. But its cool, I will figure it out eventually

eh' its not always that clear cut, bad guys will be bad guys and good guys will be good guys, but when powers are assigned to roles, sometimes its more of a matter of needing someone to have that role than it is that character personifying the role. For instance, during the pokemon version, Pickachu was a good guy, as would be expected, but he was also the cop, which does not rely on any of pickachu's investigative abilites on the show, but rather was the need to have a cop. I would expect that the cop this time around, will not actually be a cop but a prisoner, and most likely the main character on the show.

[Nemesis]

Lily, the game would be set up first then the roles picked to match. While knowing the roles could give you an indication of who is what, it's most likely still a basic set up.

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Also, nice of you to show up Tom.