Lets get the unwritten rules writen

[Jeimuzu]

I believe we should, for the time, keep trying to introduce courtesies to the new players, not with authority, but with influence. We should not strive for power, but instead work together towards insuring the continuing success of this server, while keeping it as enjoyable as possible.

I hope that the admins from ZM gather here and share their concerns, and that we do not fight about it, but come to a rational agreement and understanding.

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Zero and Jigsaw aren't always here, and all of the admins aren't exactly on the same page. We need to resolve this one way or the other. I would hope in a peaceful manor.

Walter, you seem to think when I change maps, its to something I want. Or at least that's how Hitman sees it. I don't care what we play, other people however, do. I put majority votes up always to see if people want the map changed when its a bad map, then ask the senior admin or another admin if they want to make a vote. If they don't, then I make one. I'm not being selfish, I'm doing my job as an admin to keep fun to a maximum, by not forcing people to play bad maps, while admins throw the "I have the seniority" line at me. If you have seniority, then do what the people want and change the map with a multiple map vote that you build.

I ask that you trust me, I've been here long enough to know what maps people like and dislike. And if there is any specific map you want to play then by all means, we can throw it into a map vote if you suggest it.

As for making random rules for a map, I gave you an example of how to do something like that in Snoopie. People voted not to go to the shelf room, and I asked everyone not to go. They complied with the request. I wouldn't go as far as freezing or banning them if they go in there. It was everyone's choice to not go in there.

If I'm wrong then I am sorry and I ask that you correct what I may have misinterpreted. I'm not posting this to start a flame war, and I definitely do not want to argue. Again, I hope that we can rationally and peacefully come to an understanding and agreement.

[weeman2412]

- WeeMan has got to stop using his Force Push to fuck every non perfect cade in the world
- People has got to stop slapping WeeMan around.. vice versa ROFL


in all seriousness
- The rule of cade breaking has to be more clear.. If you are making a cade.. (its not a cade yet) and someone comes and prevent or failed at helping you make the cade.. is that considered cade breaking.. because there wasn't a cade to begin with >>"

[walterbrunswick]

When writing the draft, please also reference my thread: Unbreakable Cades.

Thanks.

[walterbrunswick]

@ James.

Okay James, I do not want to argue either.

Let me explain my rationale for not changing the map.

There were over 35 people playing crazycity. It's not a bad map, and people were having fun, myself included. Hitman, Weeman, Ninja, chase, Okinawa_Dragon, and the majority of players were having a good time. You were in spec bitching that you don't like this map. You put up a vote, like you always seem to do on ever single map after the first or second round, and that is not how it works. When we choose a map, we play it. If "we" (the admins) see that the majority of players aren't complaining or are having fun, we stay on that map. We're not going to be bunnyhopping from map to map just because you don't like it or a few people want it changed. That's how it's worked for the past year, and that's how it's going to stay.

If you don't like a map, alt-tab for the duration of the map, and come back to when it's over. That's what I've ended up doing on several maps that've been overplayed, desert_fortress_v2 to name one of them.

I hope this has given you some insight into my reasoning.

[Hitman]

@ James.

Okay James, I do not want to argue either.

Let me explain my rationale for not changing the map.

There were over 35 people playing crazycity. It's not a bad map, and people were having fun, myself included. Hitman, Weeman, Ninja, chase, Okinawa_Dragon, and the majority of players were having a good time. You were in spec bitching that you don't like this map. You put up a vote, like you always seem to do on ever single map after the first or second round, and that is not how it works. When we choose a map, we play it. If "we" (the admins) see that the majority of players aren't complaining or are having fun, we stay on that map. We're not going to be bunnyhopping from map to map just because you don't like it or a few people want it changed. That's how it's worked for the past year, and that's how it's going to stay.

If you don't like a map, alt-tab for the duration of the map, and come back to when it's over. That's what I've ended up doing on several maps that've been overplayed, desert_fortress_v2 to name one of them.

I hope this has given you some insight into my reasoning.

What he said

[mastercheff]

i was having fun with the "funny" door but i didn't like the map i only knew 2 spots so i would had been grateful to get a new map plox

[weeman2412]

i was having fun with the "funny" door but i didn't like the map i only knew 2 spots so i would had been grateful to get a new map plox

the only place ur actually safe is that funny door spot anywhere else is vulnerable

[Christmas]

I think when it comes to maps, the senior admin should do everything in his/her power to make the NEXT map a map players would want to play on for the duration of the map time. That way admins would not need to bicker about how much people are enjoying a map, if a map has been played long enough for it to be changed, and if there are enough people who have downloaded the map, or whatever the admins get angry at each other about in regards to map quality.

That is my biggest gripe with the "senior admin" and the outbursts about the fact not enough good maps are played.

[Jeimuzu]

Like I said, I didn't care what map we played, I put up a vote and they wanted to change it. People were complaining, and rtving.

[Shinkiro]

I believe we should, for the time, keep trying to introduce courtesies to the new players, not with authority, but with influence. We should not strive for power, but instead work together towards insuring the continuing success of this server, while keeping it as enjoyable as possible.

I hope that the admins from ZM gather here and share their concerns, and that we do not fight about it, but come to a rational agreement and understanding.

-----------------------------------------------------

Zero and Jigsaw aren't always here, and all of the admins aren't exactly on the same page. We need to resolve this one way or the other. I would hope in a peaceful manor.

Walter, you seem to think when I change maps, its to something I want. Or at least that's how Hitman sees it. I don't care what we play, other people however, do. I put majority votes up always to see if people want the map changed when its a bad map, then ask the senior admin or another admin if they want to make a vote. If they don't, then I make one. I'm not being selfish, I'm doing my job as an admin to keep fun to a maximum, by not forcing people to play bad maps, while admins throw the "I have the seniority" line at me. If you have seniority, then do what the people want and change the map with a multiple map vote that you build.

I ask that you trust me, I've been here long enough to know what maps people like and dislike. And if there is any specific map you want to play then by all means, we can throw it into a map vote if you suggest it.

As for making random rules for a map, I gave you an example of how to do something like that in Snoopie. People voted not to go to the shelf room, and I asked everyone not to go. They complied with the request. I wouldn't go as far as freezing or banning them if they go in there. It was everyone's choice to not go in there.

If I'm wrong then I am sorry and I ask that you correct what I may have misinterpreted. I'm not posting this to start a flame war, and I definitely do not want to argue. Again, I hope that we can rationally and peacefully come to an understanding and agreement.

Yeah ur right u became an admin for the people and not for yourself but thats in general and for alot of the admins

And most of the time walter dosnt understand this concept