Maynard admin abuse

[Christmas]

Unless he was hacking, glitching, or exploiting, you have no rights to your claim provided you perma-banned him (wasn't it only for five minutes?).

If the guy is honestly still being a menace to the server then you should ban him based on the appropriate punishment. A perma ban is not appropriate for anything other than hacking, certain glitching, and certain exploits unless the clan members decide on it. (NYS I believe can back me up on this considering I have seen him say this a couple times, if not then I will retract that last statement).

Autumn was in huge trouble for doing the same thing with Walter (granted Walter wasn't as bad as Chibby) and I believe her admin was taken away as a result.

Also why aren't YOU taking issue with the demo if you saw it? I normally don't view demos and therfore I don't have much opinion to vote on the merit of the claim that the person was in fact hacking. However in this thread I have enough information to know that he did not deserve a perma ban (based on the fact you admitted you banned him for his actions while having admin, none of those being on the list of offenses that require a permanent ban) in this case.

In fact, the sentence after what you quoted is the most important here:

III. Perma bans
This is the highest punishment a player can receive. It can only be granted by a relatively small number of Upper Level Admins. Perma bans usually require a demo but always require that the player in question, beyond a reasonable doubt, committed an offense against the server and or community. Like any ban these can be applied but require a 2/3 majority vote from ALL upper level admins. If the ban appeal is denied it can NEVER be made again.

You didn't abuse, so don't think I believe you are an admin abuser. It just seems from the facts provided the wrong punishment was handed out.

[maynard]

Unless he was hacking, glitching, or exploiting, you have no rights to your claim provided you perma-banned him (wasn't it only for five minutes?).

If the guy is honestly still being a menace to the server then you should ban him based on the appropriate punishment. A perma ban is not appropriate for anything other than hacking, certain glitching, and certain exploits unless the clan members decide on it. (NYS I believe can back me up on this considering I have seen him say this a couple times, if not then I will retract that last statement).

Autumn was in huge trouble for doing the same thing with Walter (granted Walter wasn't as bad as Chibby) and I believe her admin was taken away as a result.

Also why aren't YOU taking issue with the demo if you saw it? I normally don't view demos and therfore I don't have much opinion to vote on the merit of the claim that the person was in fact hacking. However in this thread I have enough information to know that he did not deserve a perma ban (based on the fact you admitted you banned him for his actions while having admin, none of those being on the list of offenses that require a permanent ban) in this case.

christmas... this is the second time you're saying something and it beyond shows you haven't read all my msgs... cause i've already said once that it was a 5 min ban, so this issue could be raised. I knew he would run here QQing and ive made my claim based on our current rule system, and zero can either agree or not, I await his choice. I also can't think of a reason 2 provide a demo seeing how zero was on when all this went down and knows already (explained in previous msg...) what I did is just. if zero is going 2 allow him 2 keep the lvls he stole from the server by exploiting it, which you just said "or exploiting" and he was... then that's complete bull shit. his lvl should be reset 2 zero(no pun).

[Christmas]

christmas... this is the second time you're saying something and it beyond shows you haven't read all my msgs... cause i've already said once that it was a 5 min ban, so this issue could be raised. I knew he would run here QQing and ive made my claim based on our current rule system, and zero can either agree or not, I await his choice. I also can't think of a reason 2 provide a demo seeing how zero was on when all this went down and knows already (explained in previous msg...) what I did is just. if zero is going 2 allow him 2 keep the lvls he stole from the server by exploiting it, which you just said "or exploiting" and he was... then that's complete bull shit. his lvl should be reset 2 zero(no pun).

I actually have read your messages, however you said 5 minute ban once and in the post it was difficult to decipher if you meant ZERO made the ban or you. Also it doesn't help when you defend your case by citing the appropriate action for Perma Bans and that you don't directly refute Chibby's accusation.

So in the future it would help people who are reading this if you didn't argue the merit of a permanent ban when you didn't institute one in the first place.

[maynard]

I actually have read your messages, however you said 5 minute ban once and in the post it was difficult to decipher if you meant ZERO made the ban or you. Also it doesn't help when you defend your case by citing the appropriate action for Perma Bans and that you don't directly refute Chibby's accusation.

So in the future it would help people who are reading this if you didn't argue the merit of a permanent ban when you didn't institute one in the first place.

why do we keep going over this. I don't give 2 shits what any of you think regarding this? this is not your typical situation when it comes 2 a ban. you and every 1 else opinion other then 0's means nothing on this 1.

Then you didn't provide the information required for proper arbitration. I don't agree with you, therefore I must not know anything about the situation.

Uh-huh.

I don't need 2 provide you with info cause your opinion means jacks shit on this 1. this is between me and zero, no 1 else.... ya get it yet?

[Christmas]

why do we keep going over this. I don't give 2 shits what any of you think regarding this? this is not your typical situation when it comes 2 a ban. you and every 1 else opinion other then 0's means nothing on this 1.



I don't need 2 provide you with info, this is between me and zero, no 1 else.... ya get it yet?

Take a chill pill, Maynard. One critique and you are bouncing all over the walls.

[OMGBEARS]

It's okay, Christmas; we're all mad in this thread.

[maynard]

well christ yall keep saying the same shit 2 me over and over... it's getitng kind of old. there's way 2 much 2 this story for ppl who don't play WCS 2 understand. you need 2 be a WCS'er and on when the shit went down 2 understand.

and you say you're not judging me or whatever and that I get defensive... but when you come on and are like

"Maynard, you can't make up the rules here." how am I not supposed 2 get defensive? even more so when you know nothing of this situation.

[loka]

Chibby said it was a perma ban. Maynard wanted to clarify what a perma ban was to Chibby, and when Maynard disclosed it was a 5 minute ban, apparently everyone read over that, but whatever. It's proven people selectively read anyways.

And Maynard, you know people need to spit out their own opinion about how others use their admin. Half the people who said something to this case don't even play WCS. I was in there with you when someone asked why Chibby got his admin stripped, and that he was one of the only admins who gave money, and it was the reason why he leveled up to 300 in a matter of hours. So again, if he let himself and others cheat to gain an unfair advantage to other players who were following the rules, then what makes his levels or him playing on the server fair? Unless the server rules are just knit picking rules to whom you want to apply them to.

[maynard]

I find it quite funny that ppl are trying 2 act like I'm the bad guy here Lol.

[OMGBEARS]

You don't understand the technicalities to the rules you're applying to Chibby. He was cheating while he was an admin, yes that's bad. While he's an admin he's literally immune to being banned by another admin other than Zero and Jigsaw unless he's hacking, etc. Unless he was cheating after his powers were taken away then you cannot ban him retroactively for what he did while he was an admin. That's Zero's decision.

That's all I'm saying.