Admins, keep your tags on

[CYBER]

yeah we had a long discussion about this yesterday:
So this is me somewhat asking rhetorical questions so that ppl can correct me if i;m wrong:
1- admins CANNOT execute ANY commands unless having their tag on. Not even once?
2- an admin WITHOUT a tag is NOT an admin at the moment, and thus can be treated like a another player: i.e can be muted, slain, kicked (afk in spec wiz no reply, or being a nuisance), banned temp (just asking, dnt be affraid :P) ?, i mean if the situation should require this?
3- altho admins with or without tag DO appear in ma_admins, and thus other admins KNOW that a person without a tag IS an admin, and even IF that person without a tag has been playing the longest, THAT admin WITHOUT the tag (when the other admins joined) is STILL NOT considered SENIOR? and therefore the second admin WITH a tag on that played the most should be considered senior instead?
4- if an admin without a tag executes an admin command, such as muting someone permanently, etc, can an admin WITH a tag on, OVER RULE his acts (if they appeared unfair?) because since they didnt have their tag on, it wouldnt be considered as overruling an admin?(until they put their tag back on i mean?)

etc... its technical stuff like that , that seem to cause trouble on the server as far as i;ve seen between other admins. Each scenario above happened AT LEAST ONCE, so am not being too theoretical there...
it would be appreciated if zero posted a FAQ thread (Q&A style maybe?) about being a tagless admin. Xmas, envy and I alreaded asked james who gave us a reasonable answer (for me nways, that i agreed with), but still. Some ppl still need confirmation . Thanks.


it would be preferable for admins to always have a tag on unless they are going undercover to spec someone, or if they are unfit to be admin (i.e DRUNK AS FUCK)

[taz1stP]

cyber the only thing that i see wrong with what you just said is the senior thing b/c here is what would happen the admin would bitch then tag up and bitch more so that's a touchy subject there.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

cyber the only thing that i see wrong with what you just said is the senior thing b/c here is what would happen the admin would bitch then tag up and bitch more so that's a touchy subject there.

not if there was a demo....

retard.

demos make or break everything.
its like finger prints on a pistol at a crime scene.

they can argue all they want but as soon as you provide a demo they have nothing left to say but to either flame or attempt to justify there actions that they had previously lied about

cyber i cant say this is right but it would make perfect sense to assume that YES you could kick mute or ban some one if they were not wearing there tag.
how often do any admins actually check ma_admins?

makes perfect sense to override some one who isnt "representing the ibis community as an admin" and take over as senior admin.


the only draw back with having that kind of "power" over them is they can easily change there name back to having a tag.. in which case you better hope to god you have a working demo of the incident.

[CYBER]

cyber the only thing that i see wrong with what you just said is the senior thing b/c here is what would happen the admin would bitch then tag up and bitch more so that's a touchy subject there.

about the senior , for me , when i join a game, the first thing i do is checking ma_admins, and then looking at the score board, and checking who is admining and who is playing (to say hi to everyone.)
now when someone didnt have a tag on when i joined, i would tell the guy just before me that they arent considered senior admin bcos i joined with a tag first... (always have a demo when u play... ALWAYS)
now if they decide to put their tag on again and say otherwise, well thats just a matter of courtesy i guess... but me personally i would give the current guy a chance (common courtesy of my part, not a rule), unless i know they suck at seniority:P

not if there was a demo....

retard.

demos make or break everything.
its like finger prints on a pistol at a crime scene.

they can argue all they want but as soon as you provide a demo they have nothing left to say but to either flame or attempt to justify there actions that they had previously lied about

cyber i cant say this is right but it would make perfect sense to assume that YES you could kick mute or ban some one if they were not wearing there tag.
how often do any admins actually check ma_admins?

makes perfect sense to override some one who isnt "representing the ibis community as an admin" and take over as senior admin.


the only draw back with having that kind of "power" over them is they can easily change there name back to having a tag.. in which case you better hope to god you have a working demo of the incident.

agreeed ( omg did u just agree again with u? damnit!)
but seriously tho, i check ma_Admins every 5 mins to see who is on...
about the guy just putting a tag on and doing their shit again, thats the part u mentionned about having a demo ready prior... bcos thats no long a thing about not wearing a tag, but more a thing about abusing powers if the actions done weren't fair.
still need more confirmation about the whole executing commands on non-tag-wearing admins tho. but thx for the insight.

[mag36]

The only time that admin should be allowed to use admin powers with out the tag is when coming in and catching a toggle hax.....
Then far as other admins that dont have a tag on i ask them if they are acting as senoir admin.....
Cause ill join again after playing another server and forget to put it on. But siimple general rule:

No tag = No powers.

And even if they don't have the tag on you shouldn't ban or mute them or anything ON Purpose. I emphasize that cause i can see admins doing that to another admin they dont like

[maynard]

if you join a server without admin tag on then you're joining the server as a regular person, and are not allowed 2 execute admin commands. you're also not in the running for senior admin if you join without admin tag on. it's simple, if you're paying for admin, then wear the tag...

[anex]

This should either be in the server rules, or in a cleaned up stickied thread clarifying the tag issue once and for all. W/ Zeros blessings of course.

[hallwagner]

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Just to reiterate my point, since people seem to be unaware of how things are to be done here.

Also I think there needs to be a general understanding on what power an admin has without the tag (i.e. seniority) on. Because Envy believes he counts in seniority even without the tag while James says he does not. And according to Envy ZERO posted in a previous thread that he does.

its kinda hard to prove an admin doesnt have a tag nowadays. ive seen numerous admins use the clantag thingy (you know, the thing with the dropdown box to select the tag you want from your steam groups.) that tag doesnt show up in chat, and i believe it doesnt show up on the mic icon. just an observation

[THE HOLY SH**T!]

i don't see the point of a tag... it's pretty obvious to tell an admin apart from a non admin... but i guess having the ibis.a makes it easier for people to know who's admin and who is not.


BTW FPC WHY BRING UP AN OLD THREAD... IDIOTS.

[Pink]

If admins just wear their tag all the time while on the IBIS servers they shouldn't be any issues nor a point for this thread. We all can keep it simple and keep the tags on and every one is a winrar. When i played alot new admins popped up all the time I kicked, frozen banned a few cause they didn't wear tags and broke clear rules (and I didnt know them as a admin). Its not a admins duty to find other admins they should tell other admins by wearing the tag it avoids alot of issues.