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actually he made the wrong decision as I already stated. if you're not confident in your ban, do not ban the person, this is nothing new...Originally Posted by DJ_MikeyRevile
it can take anywhere from 2-5 days for a thread 2 be handled, it's not fair for someone whose not hacking, 2 have 2 wait that period of time just cause you're iffy about something, and not even sure 2 begin with if the person hacks.
Last edited by maynard; 02-10-2012 at 10:47 AM.
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holy crap i was off last night. i watched a different demo that i had just pulled of a different player entirely and posted that response on this thread.
i also kept telling my gf to put off her paper til tomorrow and she kept telling me IT'S DUE AT 9 AM TOMORROW and i was like just do it over the weekend or something. god yesterday was fuckin terrible for me XD
just watched it one more time, and for my final verdict, it certainly looks like walls at some points, but i have noticed that the locations of moving player models on sourcetv are way off, and reg is even crazier. i saw something crazy with lagi the other day, he was aiming at a dude's knee, stationary, crouched with the awp...shoots his head. then he's shooting full auto with a krieg, landing shots around the dude's legs, then the killshot is a headshot when the head isn't even visible. i see the same sorts of things several times in this demo, so the most telling times, when he seems to trace someone who's just out of his view, blocked by a wall, he could've actually seen that player due to lag and other things. that makes it tough to say for sure...as i said in my first post it does certainly look like walls. but that could just be the demo being screwy. not sure what can be done about that if anything...it's pretty damn impossible for a 3rd party to accurately show what 2 different players see when lag's involved. when you take this into consideration, and that most other instances where it looks like it could be walls can be explained by sound or radar and there are no cross-map walltraces or anything like that...i'd say it's not conclusive, and not enough for a ban. i do still stand by my first post, it LOOKS like walls throughout...but i bet if i watched myself i'd say the same thing.
Last edited by brett friggin favre; 02-10-2012 at 11:10 AM.
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The magician longs to see
One chants out between two worlds:
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If that is the case then your stand point has changed regarding making bans for hacks when you arnt100% sure. As before it was about letting the review process unfold vs letting a potential hacker run free because someone wasn't 100% positive. Better safe then sorry so to speak.
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the system for over a year now has been "if you're not sure if a person hacks, do not ban them, you must be confident in your ban" not sure what the hell you're going on about, this is nothing new, like I said.
it's also kinda common sense. worst case senario, in the time you're getting a second opinion, someone else says "hey! this guy HHHAAAAAXXX!" and they post a demo which only makes more support for the ban.
you can easily ban someone at anytime, if you're not sure, leave the person alone... once again... this is nothing new.
clan before me had stated this as it's not fair 2 the person if they don't hack. we're not in the business of banning people till we know what's what. stand by your ban if you make one. "I saw one or 2 iffy things and wasn't sure if he hacked" is not grounds for a ban on someone.
Last edited by maynard; 02-10-2012 at 11:38 AM.
IBIS
This, sourceTV makes it look more like walls then you think, I don't see nothing here. 14000 is sound steamer. 19000-20000 I don't see anything either. 20000 is a direct result of sourceTV being behind, which makes it look like walls. 25000 looks like a legit shot to me as well. Voting unban.
IBIS NOOB
When will the verdict be given?
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I will get to it either tonight or tomorrow.
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I mean tick 14400, switch between the 2 draws and watch. He see's the guy up top, yet it is not visible on actual model showing, he then pre aims to kill.
19-20k rewatched, sound, my fault. Buy me new headphones damnit! lol.
At 25k he turns for the kill shot with bullets going in a faster than normal perfect line even before he see's him.
I know this guy has been around a while, but this shit really does not look legit to me.
Last edited by Steamer; 02-13-2012 at 10:11 PM.
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My synopsis is that he was playing the map the way he should. The tick at 14k is nothing significant. He got the tunnel rushers, then he turned to check to see if they overrunned his spawn yet, didn't see anyone in spawn so he checked the catwalk. Found the dude, the other guy had the jump on him.
Ticks 19-20k, he's in a great situation. After he killed the first 3, he KNOWS the enemy is on his trail. He's red hot on the radar and his dead teammate hints to someone in spawn. With drawothermodels on, you see one runs onder, the other starts but notices the radar and goes for up top. JD does 2 checks of spawn before he hears the footsteps and homes in on it. Makes sense.
At 25k, he's playing by intelligence. That is a VERY common spot. He has been to that corner of the map twice in this game so far and both times, he's had a person over there. He is at a 100% rate of seeing someone there, not to mention every other time someone is over there. Logistics make sense too. He has a gun with 32 bullets. The only thing that doesn't make sense is NOT shooting. You see he turns for the prefire, misses twice and taps the dude as he's covering for himself in the case someone was there. He THEN notices that someone was there (surprise!) and homes in on where to shoot while strafing back in. Looked legit in 2.4% and it looked legit at 80.
My verdict is good player, no hax.
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I still see its a very mixed decision with so many different people defending me and the minority saying I hack with the person whom banned me not even sure if I hack.
I've tried to join the server again but it still says im banned, i know the process normally takes 5 days so im hoping the right decision is made at some point throughout the day.
Thanks again, I know it must be a pain watching people like me, but as someone who also seems like they have been playing a long time, "Penis シ
My synopsis is that he was playing the map the way he should. The tick at 14k is nothing significant. He got the tunnel rushers, then he turned to check to see if they overrunned his spawn yet, didn't see anyone in spawn so he checked the catwalk. Found the dude, the other guy had the jump on him.
Ticks 19-20k, he's in a great situation. After he killed the first 3, he KNOWS the enemy is on his trail. He's red hot on the radar and his dead teammate hints to someone in spawn. With drawothermodels on, you see one runs onder, the other starts but notices the radar and goes for up top. JD does 2 checks of spawn before he hears the footsteps and homes in on it. Makes sense.
At 25k, he's playing by intelligence. That is a VERY common spot. He has been to that corner of the map twice in this game so far and both times, he's had a person over there. He is at a 100% rate of seeing someone there, not to mention every other time someone is over there. Logistics make sense too. He has a gun with 32 bullets. The only thing that doesn't make sense is NOT shooting. You see he turns for the prefire, misses twice and taps the dude as he's covering for himself in the case someone was there. He THEN notices that someone was there (surprise!) and homes in on where to shoot while strafing back in. Looked legit in 2.4% and it looked legit at 80.
My verdict is good player, no hax."
I think after reading what he put explains the situation better than just watching sourceTV itself.
I haven't watched the demo of me due to the fact I know there isn't anything suspicious other than a good player (in a non-arrogant way).
Cheers again guys, hope this case can be hurried up though.
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