View Poll Results: Admittance of using hacks on ibis ground warrants a perma?

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Thread: (iReaper) Benihime STEAM_0:0:50856523 10-02-13

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZERO View Post
    Where is the proof this was in our servers? You also say he was being used to help detect hacks...

    There is also a lot of missing information here...

    Lastly the bans for people admitting to hacks has been in cases where said users were encouraging the use of hacks on the servers and trying to spread / distribute them.

    In context I see references to hacks being used to make claims against an alleged actual hacker on the server.

    We need some more information here.
    in the conversation that begins in the screenshot of the steam convo, he's referring to an incident wherein he turned his wallhacks on while in our wcs server to see if another player was hacking. that's why cyber goes on to tell him that people get banned for turning them on. from that we get this:

    1. he admits to having hacks
    2. he admits to being able to toggle them on and off very simply
    3. he admits to turning them on in our server

    i'm going to quote the rules again here, and explain my interpretation below:

    I. Hacking
    2) The use of a program or textures or settings to see though walls
    A) wall hacks, prefire, esp


    the rule simply states that using a program to allow a user to see through walls is considered hacking. no mention is made of the circumstances in which the hacks are used, nothing states that the user must use them in order to kill another player, nothing states that he has to use it while not in spectate, nothing states that he has to have malicious intent towards the server or other players. the rule solely states that using such a program at all is hacking. also, in the precedent case linked by cyber, i made a ban on milky solely off the fact that he admitted to turning on wallhacks in ibis servers. to quote ITB: "yeah it doesn't matter if he just "tested" it out. Hacks are hacks and unacceptable here in IBIS." if we can perma ban a guy for just testing his hacks in our servers, surely we can perma ban him for checking someone with them.

    1. benihime says his aimbot is virtually undetectable and he knows this for a fact
    2. he can toggle them on and off at any time, same with his walls
    3. he admits to having done it on at least one occasion

    you have to keep in mind that the only reason it's gotten to this point is that cyber has been watching this guy for wallhacks since day 1. to quote spasm, a good waller will never be caught. this guy's good. he knows what he's doing. he toggles to create inconsistency, which makes the "kinda wally" moments look more like luck. i personally had several demos which included such moments but lost them when my computer crashed. the reason a ban was never made before now is because he is very good at hiding it. when he comes out and admits that he had no problem turning them on in the blink of an eye, didn't show any hesitation, tells me it's certainly not the first time he's done it, and it wouldn't be the last in all likelihood. it confirms our suspicions, it's not just a random comment out of nowhere. if you're watching someone for walls for a year, thinking dammit i know he walls but i can't make it stick...then he admits to using them...it's a no brainer in my book.

    i also note some inconsistencies from beni that imply guilt. this line "ßSNìHí?S: You'd know if I used them" conflicts with part of another conversation he had with cyber (and also in a conversation with me personally) wherein he states that it can be tweaked to be undetectable, saying "trust me, i would know...". he says that it would be obvious one second, the other he says that it would be undetectable. that deceit implies guilt. this line too "6:41 AM - ßSNìHí?S: honestly if i can prove this kids hacking i really dont care if i get banned not that im trying to but if that was something i should be perma'd for dont you think its bad for a ula to hide that?" as noted in cyber's original post. again says he used them in our servers, and that it would be bad for a ula to hide it for that reason.
    Last edited by brett friggin favre; 02-11-2013 at 02:20 AM.

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