2013, A Space Mafia

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

o.O that is the most flawed jump in logic i've ever seen.

"this guy is lying!"
"he may not be, BUT HE'S STILL GUILTY"

and 'ill hold the results of my investigation to myself for right now. i want some others to weigh in on shit first.

how is it flawed, i said im 100% positive he is anti town, that he lied about being a fire fighter, and that is may or may not be possible that an arsonist still exsists in this game. If you are defending masskid then you mine as well consider your self an enemy of town.

[Sin]

how is it flawed, i said im 100% positive he is anti town, that he lied about being a fire fighter, and that is may or may not be possible that an arsonist still exsists in this game. If you are defending masskid then you mine as well consider your self an enemy of town.

Why would you jump to a conclusion like that? Especially since we don't even know if anyone else has been doused yet for certain? If anything, the only thing that this past night truly confirms is that Brett wasn't lying about Cyber being a Freindly Neighbor. I'm goin' to sleep will catch up tomorrow.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

also, let me explain to you why i think there being an arsonist is extremely unlikely.

1. we have yet to see a death.
2. a second person has yet to claim they have been doused
3. masskid is not the firefighter (this is 100% fact)
4. blade replied to chikun with, Chikun, a standard 12 Person Mafia game is either 9:3 or 8:3:1
This means, there is only one third party player. That third party player was wolf (hallwagner) he is already dead.
that means the arsonist would have to be mafia again, that is highly unlikely because it was nem who disagreed with the arsonist
being mafia last game.

If another players comes forward and can claim they were doused, ill believe there is an arsonist for now.

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sin, you have to trust me on that bold accusation. i have never been more sure of something in these games, then this.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

also, let me explain to you why i think there being an arsonist is extremely unlikely.

1. we have yet to see a death.
2. a second person has yet to claim they have been doused
3. masskid is not the firefighter (this is 100% fact)
4. blade replied to chikun with, Chikun, a standard 12 Person Mafia game is either 9:3 or 8:3:1
This means, there is only one third party player. That third party player was wolf (hallwagner) he is already dead.
that means the arsonist would have to be mafia again, that is highly unlikely because it was nem who disagreed with the arsonist
being mafia last game.

If another players comes forward and can claim they were doused, ill believe there is an arsonist for now.

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sin, you have to trust me on that bold accusation. i have never been more sure of something in these games, then this.

oh im' not defending him, i'm simply getting suspicious of you and your seemingly unfounded accusations.

[Chikun]

Ok, this proved to give more information than anticipated.

1.) Cyber is town
2.) There is a firefighter therefore an arsonist (the fact that it wasn't second guessed so far leads to masskid which would make him town since he claimed firefighter and cyber being confirmed town wouldn't lie about being doused)
3.) There is a possibility of a role switcher, that possibility leading to Aco's innocence unless he was creating smoke, (target switcher role most likely mafia due to Brett's innocence)

As an aside since they (mafia) decided to kill Brett, which actually help confirm my theories, I believe Masskid and Cyber are town 100%.

This leads me to rethink Mikey's assertions and assume guilt on me, mikey, sin, scribble, and others who I'm to drunk to name specifically since there is no proof unless an investigation role were to be announced which I would not recommend.

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The fact that Brett being named as town would give him no reason to make up Cyber being the neighbor and and claiming to being doused.

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So unless otherwise:

Cyber is 100% town
Masskid is 100% town (unless another firefighter role is claimed, though doubtful at this point)

That is the only definitive proof so far.

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As far as people still alive are concerned.

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I have to add, I lasted longer as a vanilla townie than Brett in the roman game so I win.

[CYBER]

also, let me explain to you why i think there being an arsonist is extremely unlikely.

1. we have yet to see a death.
2. a second person has yet to claim they have been doused[..]

If another players comes forward and can claim they were doused, ill believe there is an arsonist for now.

No mikey... you're wrong.
Here are the options:
1- true, no one has come out to claim dousing, but that means if we have a town roleblocker, he'd have disabled the real arson.
2- someone got doused and isn't saying, or soft claiming of dousing such as mass's comment of "cyber, sry, no protection for u tonight".. this would imply that maybe he needs to protect HIMSELF instead of me. that... or his ability is x-shot... and he's trying to let me know gently of that.
3- Read brett's death. Towards the end, 2 people (why "2"?) were talking over brett's body, and they said " it smells like shit here"... maybe it's the mod's subtle message that brett was the one who got doused tonight? I believe in a thing called Chikhov's Gun... There's no point of wasting text space in a scene on smthn useless unless it means smthn... i would know since i modded 2 games so far. So i STRONGLY believe that IN FACT, brett was the one who got doused, and that's why we might not get another dousing confirmation.

Besides mikey... i don't know why you keep saying there ISNT an arson... I'm telling you MYSELF that I got DOUSED. It's not that i had a "feeling" that there's an arson... i LITERALLY got a mod message that i got doused. And I am confirmed townie and i have no damn reason to lie about something that important...

Brett confirmed me as townie on day 1. He died and he was a townie. This ALONE should confirm me as a townie for everyone. I also asked the mod to confirm me as a townie to Aco because aco had a gun on me last day. And i figured that if mikey investigated me, he'll get an innocent nway, so i might as well confirm with the guy who accused me of having a gun because that would confirm that there's a bus driver in the game... and since he's yet to come forward? he's most likely a mafia member and he's trying to frame people who would most likely be investigted... -> me.

sin, you have to trust me on that bold accusation. i have never been more sure of something in these games, then this.

Ok mikey, time to spill your beans. Yesterday you got off a lynch by claiming cop not-so subtly ...

What bugs me is that it was obvious to everyone that you claimed cop, so what bugs me is that BRETT died... instead of you.

What gives? Why not go after the claimed cop?
At first I thought that since our doctor Shadow died (jailkeeper in the game denies the existence of a doc on same side), that we would end up losing our cop tonight without ANY confirmations of who's nice or who's naughty...
and yet... you come out alive?

Neither the arson nor the mafia killed out?
Something is off... either you're not a cop, and you're a mafia that didn't kill himself, and lucked out by the fact that the arson went after someone more important to him (or vice versa)? or i really don't know how u managed to survive the night with no doc protection...

so explain yourself NOW please. Who did you investigate, and who is confirmed townie or evil. you had 2 days to investigate 2 people, thats 1/4 of the population now.
Talk now because you might have gotten out (weirdly) alive today, but god knows if u'll be here tomorrow, so at least we'd know what u know.

[Chikun]

Cyber, my advise since I am now your advocate, I would be mindful of Masskid since Blackmage was killed and he could have been the real firefighter. It's unlikely, in fact, very unlikely, but don't rule it out.

You have literally no reason to trust me so I ask you not to trust anyone.

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I'm also suspicious of Mikey since he is most vocal in what I see as bullshit.

[CYBER]

oh im' not defending him, i'm simply getting suspicious of you and your seemingly unfounded accusations.

Aco, you're a gunsmith... you can act like a cop sometimes in small-setups...

You know i confirmed with you, you know i'm 100% guaranteed town, and this me telling you that I DONT TRUST MIKEY.

I gave him the benefit of the doubt last night bcos he claimed cop... but he's yet to provide accurate info. And he's just all-over all the time... making no sense with his posts...

Aco, i need you to investigate mikey tonight, and see if he really is a cop because something smells fishy in here.

If you clear him with a gun after he's claiming to be a cop, then we have no reason to doubt him and maybe i can finally let me guard down slightly.. but until then... mikey's never gonna make my friends list in this game...


Also, I STRONGLY believe that the arson is chikun... i'm sry man, but this is not just a gut feeling...
I thought at first that masskid was bullshitting his ass off, so i told him to protect me tonight... i actually thought i'd be dead by tonight, but this lets me think maybe masskid did in fact protect me from burning...
This also adds the possibility that the arson actually ignited yesterday, hence the smell of shit nearby in the scene, this would mean that masskid was in fact the firefighter...

This leads me to you... you're the one that got masskid's claim first... we talked about having an arson in game, but all you could do was keep asking the cop to investigate brett and to kill brett in order to confirm he's not a godfather...
What if u're actually the arson and worried about the fact that if brett is a godfather, then u wouldnt be able to kill him at night... and not only that, but by asking the cop to investigate brett or me, you're buying urself another night without being investigated...


guys, i strongly believe Chikun is arson. If he isn't... then masskid's been lying to me all along and it would be him..


mikey? i don't trust you... i'm saying it straightforward.. and i want you to claim everyone who is innocent or guilty NOW.
Or else I'm gonna move my following vote OFF of chikun, and onto YOU.

I have to go to sleep and then i have an exam monday morning to study for... if i don't come back, i'm voting for chikun ... him, mikey and masskid are on my shitlist currently (masskid im sry... but u're actually the "least" likely to have made it there in respect to the other 2)

VOTE CHIKUN

[Chikun]

It would be detrimental for town to do so Cyber until someone claimed to be doused.

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The others will do what they will but make note of who is the biggest advocate of my demise.

[CYBER]

Cyber, my advise since I am now your advocate, I would be mindful of Masskid since Blackmage was killed and he could have been the real firefighter. It's unlikely, in fact, very unlikely, but don't rule it out.

You have literally no reason to trust me so I ask you not to trust anyone.

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I'm also suspicious of Mikey since he is most vocal in what I see as bullshit.

That's why i was trying to see if masskid was rly a firefighter or not..
had i burst into flame, he'd have been known to be lying.

Also, I doubt blackmage was a firefighter.
Keep in mind that there was no role posted, so unless the firefighter happened to have gotten him without dousing him on night ONE, and then know it was the firefighter and take his role...
yeah.. it's almost impossible for masskid to claim firefighter knowing that no one will counterclaim..

In fact, the ONLY reason why masskid made my fucking shit list to begin with is because.. wait for it... MIKEY seems to be 100% sure he's the arson...

So guys, here's 3-way ultimatum:

Chikun is the arson if my gut feeling and previous post was right.

and here's the if-else statement:
mikey claims masskid is guilty... if mikey investigated masskid and he was guilty, then mikey is the cop and masskid is the arson who claimed the firefighter role by luck

if masskid is innocent, then mikey is NOT a cop and simply fucking with us right now to buy time by getting someone else targetted instead of him...

Honestly? Mikey? you don't look too good at the moment.
especially since chikun's post and my post above actually proves masskid to be INNOCENT as far as we know...


You STILL insist that there is NO ARSON?? WTF? im telling you there IS an arson... i got doused ffs...you're stalling and u know it...
and i'm almost sure u're lying about being the cop...
why would u claim being a cop so easily? because u never actually claimed..

WE ASSUMED you were the cop, and since no real cop counter claimed u (for wtvr fucking reasons), then u just went with it after testing the waters... ESPECIALLY since there's a gunsmith in the game...which is equivalent to a cop in some classic games.

In fact... I'm gonna FORCE YOU to fucking claim because so far you have just been digging your hole deeper...
SHIT LIST = 75% MIKEY + 25& Chikun...

Unvote Chikun
VOTE Mikey.
(claim now mikey. that's your cue.)

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It would be detrimental for town to do so Cyber until someone claimed to be doused.

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The others will do what they will but make note of who is the biggest advocate of my demise.

i'm putting you on hold chikun...
honestly? i think u ARE the arson... that's just what i think, i cant prove it... i'll give you that... but my gut feeling is screaming to me that u're the arson...

That being said? mikey's more of a threat to town than he's ever been...
he claimed cop, but never claimed anyone's innocence... or guiltyness...

he's been advocating the lack of arson-existence??? WTF? after all those proof?
he's insisting that masskid is the arsonist or mafia ( i forgot what "evil-title" he used to him) but never confirmed that it was by investigation...
And why investigate MASSKID if that's the case?



Mikey... u're lying... or u're dumb... one of the 2 . pick. and either hardclaim cop + prove it by announcing innocents/guilty, or hang by the rope.