Your 9/11 story

[anex]

...a secular society, where women are allowed to hold positions of power, hold jobs, and be independent... the media allows you to speak your mind about the issues you want to discuss... That Americans don't force women to wear garb covering their entire body, and don't charge a woman with a crime for being raped... anti-conservative propaganda that you think every problem in the world is the United States' fault?

I looked at both sides. I looked at Conservative and Liberals, republicans and democrats. I read books, watched a shit ton of documentaries. I read conspiracy theories about 9/11, I read books where they got debunked, then I read books where those debunks got debunked themselves. I read and watched books on politics, become obsessed with censorship in the United States. One string of information lead me to the next. The Conservative ideology is ludicrous. Conservatives EAT up the propaganda like crazy because a lot of them do not think for themselves. They believe whatever fox news tells them without giving it a second thought. Same thing with Liberals too. However, I am Libertarian so I do not really bother with that mess. I do not believe in any propaganda. I make my own conclusions based on several different things. But it seems however that you fall victim to propaganda as well because the only reason you seem to come up with is the standard, "Terrorists hate our freedom, women rights, blah blah" You know the usual stuff you hear from other conservatives.

So really, forgive me for not really believing the conservative propaganda, that terrorists hate our freedom hur hur, that spews from the news networks and the Bush's administration. Anti-conservative propaganda? Really? I have the same tolerance for anti-conservative propaganda that I do for conservative propaganda. I don't even watch the news anymore because everything is biased. One news station telling me one thing, another telling me a different thing. Its bullshit. I get my news from independent sources that DON'T jam their political agendas down my throat.

I don't think every problem in the World is caused by the US, but I feel like its the majority because of our former 3 administrations we have had.

Remember the 1993 bombings? This was planned over many years, simply because we as Americans had military forces in their country and the fact that the United States is a state which is satanic and anti-Muslim in their eyes.

Repercussion of imperialism. Coming from this point of view, we had it coming because we pissed off a LOT of people and made enemies. So then your "The only people we have to blame are the terrorists because we did nothing to provoke them," excuse flies right out the fucking window.

Coming from the conspiracy aspect, it could have been a test run for the devastation eight years later. Precursor to dealing with the rebellious state overseas and getting a stronger foot hold on the oil in that country. It might sound crazy but its ALWAYS a possibility. Don't ever rule out something just because you think that "it could never happen." Like we live in a fantasy world here.

Previous governments in history like to do test runs of some events prior to see how the general population would react.

Or the last aspect that they just woke up one day and said "Hey, ill bomb America today for no reason at all." Which is less likely then the conspiracy aspect.

Problem - Reaction - Solution.

"No shit it was planned."

Woh man, that quote and the meaning behind it, just went right over your head. If you turn around you now, you can still catch it!

Since 2001? Do you live under a rock?

Also, all the loose change videos are bunk. Check out "Screw Loose Change" 2 and it completely trashes any argument they have.

Seriously, if you quote Loose Change as an adequate source, your credibility is shot. I didn't even realize that people still believed that tripe.

True. But then again Christmas its one of those things that been debunked by one person then someone else debunks that debunk then it gets to the point of credibility of the film in question. Which now is shot because its been debunked and undebunked so many times that you don't know if its true anymore. Plus its a youtube video made by some dude. That movie had almost no credability to begin with even if any of that information was true.

We haven't heard anything about Osama because the government probably is still using him as an ACE card to keep occupation in the middle east. That or either the Government is wound up in the bullshit "war on terror" that they forgot about him.

[inthebutt]

you know why this all happened??

it was because some kid from the middle east was playing CSS, he got pwned and rage quit cause some american kid owned his ass. so he took it one step further from rage quitting, he decided to rage terrorize. there forth we have come to know him as osama bin laden. he looks old cause he rages to much and to hard.

[walterbrunswick]

In a way, yes they hate our freedoms. It is called a secular society, where women are allowed to hold positions of power, hold jobs, and be independant. Where the media allows you to speak your mind about the issues you want to discuss. There are shows for many different demographics, where abortion is legal, where Jews, Christians, and Muslims can live in the same country with the same rights. Of course those who live in an extremist society would hate that Americans don't follow the same ideals as them. That Americans don't force women to wear garb covering their entire body, and don't charge a woman with a crime for being raped. Do you know anything about the history of Muslim extremism, or are you too blinded by anti-conservative propaganda that you think every problem in the world is the United States' fault?

Those are all surface-level freedoms. I don't think you realize the extent of the power of corporations and governments. It goes much, MUCH deeper.

Freedom is an illusion my friend. As soon as you tamper with the profits of corporations or government, you are a target.

E.g., the people who found a cure for cancer magically "disappeared."

[anex]

Freedom is an illusion my friend. As soon as you tamper with the profits of corporations or government, you are a target.

E.g., the people who found a cure for cancer magically "disappeared."

That's one of the biggest oxymoron's I have ever heard in my life. "Land of the Free."

btw The cure for cancer will never be found because Cancer medicine is a multi-billion dollar industry.

@ Inthebutt

Ahkmed got pawned in Ibis zm server. He was blocking and were like "Wtf noob?" Mass confusion he got tagged and some dude with a M249 in the tubes on lila_panic_v2 killed him. We banned him and now he... Shit zero CHECK THE LOGS!

[inthebutt]

@ Inthebutt

Ahkmed got pawned in Ibis zm server.

lawl and for all we know it could have been osama himself.

oh and one very important thing we need to keep in mind at one point in time we were supplying military weapons to the middle east to support them fighting Russia. so keep in mind that even though this did happen to us. it can be looked at that this could have been our own fault as well.

[Christmas]

Anex, if you honestly want to talk politics and how the government is out to get us and commits false flag attacks on its own citizens (or whatever you believe), just go here.

http://forums.randi.org/

I'm sure they'd give you a warm welcome. I honestly am growing tired of getting in a pissing match with you about this bullshit.

[uuntiltheendd]

@christmas:i havent heard much about him.... and no i dont live under a rock that would be miserable. but ive never heard of that vid, but ill check it out it sounds interesting.
@theholygayness:quit spamming peoples threads cumbag.
@inthebutt:that was really funny

[anex]

You are putting words in my mouth. I never said the US didn't provoke them.

"The US has no one to blame but the organization behind it."

Speculation is not evidence of anything. And I never said it could never happen, just that the evidence says it didn't happen. Big difference there pal.

OK there Chief. But boy you sure seem excited to dismiss it as crazy though. Sorry if I inferred incorrectly.

Examples would be great.

Nero burnt Rome, blamed it on Christians
Hilter's burning of the Parliament building in Berlin to impose rules for the protection of the people.

You are expanding on an assertion I never made.

Well you sure as hell came off as if that was the case.

The quote is meaningless unless you can attribute real evidence. As usual, you can't.

I think Bush getting into office is a good example .

It was not originally made for youtube. There are three Loose Change videos, made by three bumbling idiots.



You look a little like the one on the right, which is strange to say the least.

Funny I was going to say that you looked like the one of the left. Hmm..

Again with the speculation?

OK, Well why don't you think we have found Osama. Ill be sure to reply with "That's only speculation!" Dude everything is classified, we as citizens don't know. I was just giving my opinion.

Also, I LOL at your comment. Especially considering you don't even live in the US. But whatever.

I am American Military, USAF, and I was in the states when I first started playing in ibis. But 2001 is like what cs 1.6?


http://forums.randi.org/

What the fuck Christmas I open the link and the first thread I see is "The evolution of peeing" and "What do aliens want from us?" The skeptic things that I am about is our Government. I don't think that forum is serious at all. I bet it gets trolled a lot... probably by you. haha.

[Christmas]

that last comment was directed at walter, not you.





Also the randi forums are filled with many educated individuals, who know more about teh subjects we are discussing than both of us.



If you honestly want an educated discussion, I'd go there.

[Jeimuzu]

Wasn't there another plane that was overtaken by terrorists, then overtaken again by the passengers? And then it crash landed somewhere.. I forget.