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[TheLittlestHobo]

Firstly, Christmas I would want to ask you what you think the general point of "Ghosting" under Server Rules 1.5 would be.
Secondly, Christmas, I know for a fact that HIDING is not against the rules what so ever and the fact that you had to wait is your fault for being dead in the first place. There is a thing called patience in this game and I feel not too many people have it. I don't mean to be offensive to you, but I'm just trying to make a point here about the whole premise of IBIS Zombie Mod.

Thirdly, Walter, it wasn't so much the case of rejoining, but the fact someone joins half way through the round, spectate someone who is hiding, and then getting them tagged or tagging them. That was the main point that I am trying to make that oonyx took advantage of.

On another note, I know for a fact I can make some of the most sturdiest of cades in the server, hence why I used to be second for a while during my time playing. I guess it would kill some people to deviate away from cading once in a while...

Still the issue at hand is:
IS SPECTATING A PERSON TO FIND OUT WHERE HE IS AND THEN RESPAWNING TO TAG HIM/GIVE HIS POSITION AWAY BE ALLOWED IN IBIS? SHOULD THE ZSPAWN FEATURE BE REMOVED?

[Christmas]

Firstly, Christmas I would want to ask you what you think the general point of "Ghosting" under Server Rules 1.5 would be.

So people don't conspire to give certain players an unfair advantage. It is for the GG, WCS, and PUB servers because generally in ZM the entire point is cade, escape (in escape maps), or kill.

Secondly, Christmas, I know for a fact that HIDING is not against the rules what so ever and the fact that you had to wait is your fault for being dead in the first place. There is a thing called patience in this game and I feel not too many people have it. I don't mean to be offensive to you, but I'm just trying to make a point here about the whole premise of IBIS Zombie Mod.

I didn't say hiding was against the rules. Also just because you are dead does not mean it is "your fault" for being dead. Zombies sometimes must sacrifice themselves in order for humans to get tagged (you know what a zombie train is) and not all players are dead simply because they were killed by humans (joining the server). And the "patience" card does not work in PUB and WCS, so why should it here? The rounds are much longer. And because the rounds are much longer that gives players fewer opportunities to play specific maps, making them irritated when someone is extending the round for an extended period of time in that fashion.

On another note, I know for a fact I can make some of the most sturdiest of cades in the server, hence why I used to be second for a while during my time playing. I guess it would kill some people to deviate away from cading once in a while...

One of the reasons I hate escape maps is because people decide to hide and extend the round very long so they do not die. When it comes to a gaming server, the main objective is for rounds to be carried out in both a fun and efficient way. Having a few zombies look for a single guy who is sitting in a corner that is hardly looked at is rarely fun. That's why beacons are regularly used.

Still the issue at hand is:
IS SPECTATING A PERSON TO FIND OUT WHERE HE IS AND THEN RESPAWNING TO TAG HIM/GIVE HIS POSITION AWAY BE ALLOWED IN IBIS? SHOULD THE ZSPAWN FEATURE BE REMOVED?

Seems like a dumb feature anyways.

[TheLittlestHobo]

So people don't conspire to give certain players an unfair advantage.

Isn't finding someone's hiding spot, respawning, then tagging/giving the position away give that player an unfair advantage?

And the "patience" card does not work in PUB and WCS, so why should it here? The rounds are much longer. And because the rounds are much longer that gives players fewer opportunities to play specific maps, making them irritated when someone is extending the round for an extended period of time in that fashion.

Ask ZER0 to extend the map rounds, then. I would agree with you on that.

One of the reasons I hate escape maps is because people decide to hide and extend the round very long so they do not die. When it comes to a gaming server, the main objective is for rounds to be carried out in both a fun and efficient way. Having a few zombies look for a single guy who is sitting in a corner that is hardly looked at is rarely fun. That's why beacons are regularly used.

I also agree with you on this because it is escape map and the premise of escape maps well...is to escape. Cading maps are intended for survival until the round is over by any legitimate means necessary. [/QUOTE]


And again to reinforce what happened:

Oonyx joined the game midway through the round
He joined a side
While dead, he was speccing other players
He was speccing me as I was hiding
He respawned
He sat in my head and gave my position away
I was tagged


Call me arrogant, but that move deserved a ban.

[Jeimuzu]

Chrismas, Walter, and Oonyx, if you believe hide and seek should be removed, what about escape maps?

I'm of course talking about freezing fast zombies on escape maps because its 'unbalanced.' You do that, yet you wouldn't punish someone who goes into spectate to ghost and exploit the game?

[Oonyx]

James when you join a game, you're already in spectator mode, unless you join at the very beginning of a round. There's no extra effort involved in that. If you choose to delay spawning and look around, then so be it. As for fast zombies on escape maps, personally I have no problem with them.

Hobo, you were hiding in near plain sight, and would have been spotted more likely than not considering there were two or three minutes left. I don't see the justification necessary for an "inconvenience" of you turning into zombie for two or three minutes equating to a two hour ban. Furthermore, wouldn't a message to me have served the same purpose? Bans are last resort, and because you were personally involved it clouded your judgement.

[Christmas]

Chrismas, Walter, and Oonyx, if you believe hide and seek should be removed, what about escape maps?

I'm of course talking about freezing fast zombies on escape maps because its 'unbalanced.' You do that, yet you wouldn't punish someone who goes into spectate to ghost and exploit the game?

I believe that you aren't able to switch to spectate then back again so this is a moot discussion.

[walterbrunswick]

IS SPECTATING A PERSON TO FIND OUT WHERE HE IS AND THEN RESPAWNING TO TAG HIM/GIVE HIS POSITION AWAY BE ALLOWED IN IBIS? SHOULD THE ZSPAWN FEATURE BE REMOVED?

NO, NO, YES.

James when you join a game, you're already in spectator mode, unless you join at the very beginning of a round. There's no extra effort involved in that. If you choose to delay spawning and look around, then so be it. As for fast zombies on escape maps, personally I have no problem with them.

Hobo, you were hiding in near plain sight, and would have been spotted more likely than not considering there were two or three minutes left. I don't see the justification necessary for an "inconvenience" of you turning into zombie for two or three minutes equating to a two hour ban. Furthermore, wouldn't a message to me have served the same purpose? Bans are last resort, and because you were personally involved it clouded your judgement.

Exactly. It's not Oonyx's fault that !zspawn is there.

HOBO your ban was unjust.

I'll be honest. I've come into a game half-way through the round, and I've spec'd where people are, and I've !zpsawned. Oonyx didn't even tag you HOBO.

Hate the game, not the player.

[TheLittlestHobo]

Oonyx has now changed the main point as what he normally does so his actions are seemingly more innocent than the last. I.e that my spot was in plain site. Firstly, my spot may be detectable, but I would know that you aren't that good enough to come looking for me there (although I know you would say "yes I would"). I was fine up until you joined in and I still had a good minute left.

Oonyx, you better start being direct and NOT start to deviate the main point at hand here. You can't say that my position was easily detectable because of what you think. Again, I still had a good minute. Pretty much all of Oonyx's posts have deviated away from the main point by saying things like his last post.

Still, the MAIN POINT is that you know my location, zspawned in and then got me tagged.

Walter, it's not the fact that he didn't tag me but the fact that he gave my hiding position away from a system that is being abused.

Refer to Holy Shit's last post. Remember the time when people just goto spectate to avoid zombie death. At the time there was no official ruling. This is what I feel this situation is where it's at. An action that we know is deemed wrong but no official ruling is set forth.

And lastly Walter, it's the players that make up an online gaming experience for everyone.

When I hate the game, it's probably because of server lag. :P

[Jeimuzu]

I believe that you aren't able to switch to spectate then back again so this is a moot discussion.

You can if you rejoin. But even if you go into spectate and reveal where every single hidden player is, that's ghosting.

And Oonyx, just stop. People will do this (hopefully not that much) until zspawn is disabled, so that is what needs to happen. Until then, ghosting shouldn't be a problem, unless your an admin/player that doesn't follow and/or enforce the rules when they need to be.

On a side note, if you recall Bears, Oonyx was banned for a day for prenuking. Anyone care to explain how he was back in-game before the day was up?