Yea I saw that, that was stupid. Not to mention that Hitler was fucking brilliant, charismatic, and a damn good painter. People tend to over look that, because of his extream racism. But thats understandable.Originally Posted by OMGBEARS
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Yea I saw that, that was stupid. Not to mention that Hitler was fucking brilliant, charismatic, and a damn good painter. People tend to over look that, because of his extream racism. But thats understandable.
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You'd get it for free then.
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No one is a "true" anything. To fall completely in a party line takes no brain cells or logical thinking. You can agree with certain ideas all over the map, but when it comes down to it, I fall most in line with libertarians. I'm also a realist. A true libertarian society would fail unless you spend countless billions on regulating the open market, which in turn would not make it so open and it goes against the small government libertarianism tries to implement. You simply cannot trust companies to not screw over the consumer for their own bottom line, as we've seen time and time again.
Your chart is all well and good except it doesn't include "additional aid" funding sent to Iraq and other countries. When that's computed, it is a much starker chart.
I donated to his campaign for presidency.
I'm well aware of what libertarian entails, state-rights, small government, no or little taxation, isolationist foreign policy, gold-backed currency and completely free market (would never work). The difference is I'm smart enough to realize these are ideals, ideals that will never come to fruition and couldn't be half-implemented into our current society. It's an all or nothing shot with the libertarian system. Even you can see that. Just because I disagree with one or two portions of the libertarian manifesto disregards my agreeing with the 90% of it? News to me. Continue to fall in that party line though, good worker.
And I see the "Scream socialist!" group is out in full force. lol. Did I time-warp back to the 80's for Christ's sake?
Don't worry, in five years this will die down and it will be generally accepted, just as every other socialist program that benefited Americans. The major talking heads will move on to the next infringement on their rights and we'll argue about some other twisting of the facts. Rinse, repeat. God bless America.
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"I am for universal health care, universal education, fire and police protection, as well as federal subsidies for agriculture."
-- Your opinion, and very socialist view. I think those matters should be state concerns not the federal government, and just no on healthcare and argiculture.
"We are one of the few first world countries in the world that don't provide universal healthcare for their citizens, and we have the lowest life expectancies amongst them to show for it. "
-- Ok true, but if our healthcare is that bad, why do people come to our country to get it?
"Not to mention, medical bills are the prime cause of foreclosures in the U.S. -- mind you foreclosures and toxic assets are what started this recession to begin with."
-- Downright made up information. The main cause for foreclosures in the U.S. is unemployment. People getting loans they should have never gotten thanks to Bill Clinton. What Bill did was to lower the capitalization limits required, and to lower the creditworthiness levels required for a mortgage to be considered "sub-prime", which in turn resulted in banks giving out loans they should have never gave out. Thank you once again big government.
"If all 300+million Americans were insured by the government for free health care then the risk would be spread out over 300+million Americans, meaning premiums would be MUCH lower than they are now. Not to mention the lack of advertising or phishing costs, lack of overhead due to being a federal agency, and lack of profit-mongering. Premiums (aka taxes at this point) would be very low in exchange for complete coverage."
-- Do you know what regulations the government had on healthcare before the this bill? The MAIN reason it is so high is because of all the extra things the insurance companies have to cover. If I am 25 years old, I do not need 90 percent of the stuff regulated by our government. i.e. Insurance companies have to insure programs to help you stop smoking... what???
"If you think America is the greatest nation in the world then you are kidding yourself. Consider being hated the world over for our ignorance, our gluttony, and our "nationalistic pride." Consider the idea that before now, people would be denied lifesaving procedures because their insurance company wants to save some money. Consider the idea that we spend 2% of our GDP on education, the lowest amongst first world countries, and 21% of our GDP on our armed forces and "national security" -- the highest in the world. We as people need to realize the global dynamics are changing, and not in our favor. Instead of proceeding "business as usual" we need to either adapt or get phased out completely."
-- If you don't think America is the greatest country in world your an idiot, and I did not start calling out names like you.
-- The world is not cupcakes and ice cream. Look how fast Russia invaded Georgia. We cut our military we will be a target. Not everyone cares about people being healthy and having great things, some men our out to conquer and control the world. History repeats itself. I would say the main reason why Russia and China are not taking the world by force is because they are scared of us, you take that away, you will give Putin his day.
"The ignorance displayed by those of you who compared Obama to Hitler or Stalin is just one of many grave blunders commonly demonstrated by the right. OH! And to those of you who compared Obama to Hitler, you are idiots. "
-- Maybe you need a little history lesson.
The nation was in shambles. A previous ruler had led the country into an unnecessary war, the economy was failing, and a sense of depression filled the air. Then, a new leader emerged. He was a powerful speaker, offering hope, change, and a fix to the economy. He wrote two books about his experiences and used his literary work to propel him to success. He was an open christian with some muslim friends. He called for unity and considered himself an advocate of peace. Some of his political opponents cast him as naive and inexperienced. He also had alot of radical ties, but the media, and ultimately the voters, were willing to overlook that.
Barack Obama... oh wait no thats Adolf Hitler. You can do more research on your own time.
EDIT, just because I do not want to double post, this is for you gas.
"No one is a "true" anything. To fall completely in a party line takes no brain cells or logical thinking. You can agree with certain ideas all over the map, but when it comes down to it, I fall most in line with libertarians. I'm also a realist. A true libertarian society would fail unless you spend countless billions on regulating the open market, which in turn would not make it so open and it goes against the small government libertarianism tries to implement. You simply cannot trust companies to not screw over the consumer for their own bottom line, as we've seen time and time again.
Your chart is all well and good except it doesn't include "additional aid" funding sent to Iraq and other countries. When that's computed, it is a much starker chart."
-- Your absolutely right that people should not follow a party down a narrow path, you should think on your own. But the very fact that libertarians support entails, state-rights, small government, no or little taxation, isolationist foreign policy, gold-backed currency and completely free market as you stated, by supporting medicad medicare social security, healthcare. You essentially have elimated state-rights, small government, no or little taxation and free-market. SO the two parts you really believe in is gold-backed currency and the isolationist foreign policy. Your 2/6 and you call yourself a libertarian.
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I still don't understand the anger at this bill. This is not public health care, it is insurance reform.
This does not include a public option, allows citizens with private health care to retain their current insurance but with greater co-pays and they can now no longer be dropped due to illness. It now allows people to shop for more affordable health care in a centralized hub and they can't be declined due to past or current health issues. If you own a car, you have to have insurance.. as you own your body, you have to have insurance. When people go to the hospital and can't pay their bills, it gets passed on to those paying for insurance anyway with higher premiums or the tax payer.
We pay taxes for the roads, libraries, schools, public works, police, fire department, social security, medicare, medicaid, etc. All are "socialist". Yet this is where people draw the line?
Don't like paying for the health care for people on welfare? You already do.
Like I said, I'm not sure how many people have even read what the bill covers only assuming this is the public option they first tried to roll out. They passed welfare reform in the 90's with the tag "we'll fix it further later" and have never done so. The shitstorm this bill has caused will likely leave it unattended for decades.
In the end, even if this bill progressed into one with a public option, if it also provided a private option those with health care will not pay a cent more and those without it would finally have it, at expense to themselves.. though at much less expense than they would have paid for it separately. This is a bad thing? You don't think health of a country is one of the most important aspects of a first-world, industrialized nation?
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This is a jokingly simplistic comparison.The nation was in shambles. A previous ruler had led the country into an unnecessary war, the economy was failing, and a sense of depression filled the air. Then, a new leader emerged. He was a powerful speaker, offering hope, change, and a fix to the economy. He wrote two books about his experiences and used his literary work to propel him to success. He was an open christian with some muslim friends. He called for unity and considered himself an advocate of peace. Some of his political opponents cast him as naive and inexperienced. He also had alot of radical ties, but the media, and ultimately the voters, were willing to overlook that.
Barack Obama... oh wait no thats Adolf Hitler. You can do more research on your own time.
Hitler, in one of his books he openly discussed this detest for a rather large group in his own country's society. Actually two, communists and jews. That and he gained support because the only option Germany had after the WWI treaty they signed was to spark industry into a war-time effort. They had no other option. Go to war or go bankrupt.
All of that you quoted was not the reason Hitler is remembered, as you well know. So given that Obama's similarities fall in line with the hand-selected positives of Hitler's rise to power hardly give your smear tactic any weight. Are you afraid he'll build concentration camps for Texans or something? lol
It was a good try though. I'm sure Glenn Beck or whatever coked-up nutjob in the media would run with it. You should write for them.
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Actually over 800 concentration camps already exist across the USA, and I could give a better comparison but I really don't feel like doing the research for a forum. http://www.topix.com/forum/city/russ...SGT6OIGQNRCO78
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Republicans are trying to put amendments to the bill so it can get a re-vote
I absolutely love some of these.
Preventing those who are convicted sex offenders from getting ED pills
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Should I buy stock in aluminum foil? There seems to be quite a need nowadays.
Funny, because the Republicans already have over 200 amendments to the bill before it was passed.Republicans are trying to put amendments to the bill so it can get a re-vote
I absolutely love some of these.
Preventing those who are convicted sex offenders from getting ED pills
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Did you even read my post? or are you willfully dense most people when they cant argue try to change the subject or personally attack. Either way you fail to recognize my main point.
So I'm not comparing Obama to anyone and if you had a reading comprehension past a 4th grade level you would understand that I simply suggest that in 4/8 years be it a Democrat or Republican, it could be someone very bad, that believe it or not my abuse the powers of the office. I mean History shows that people in power Never abuse it...
You trust Obama and want to give him power over every part of your life and pay him to do it OK fine, but would you give Bush that power ??? or some unknown ?
You like other countries better than ours OK FUCKIN MOVE to Canada. What makes America great is the power resides as close to the people as possible.
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