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[SCRIBBLE]

Has no one come to the conclusion that the gay race will die as they cannot reproduce? Even if you somehow rationalize it morally, biologically it does not work, and if you choose to be gay that pretty much also makes you an idiot.

Chemical imbalances are a different story however, but it's nothing steroids and testosterone shots can't fix, right?

Reproduction is subjective. Steroids and testosterone won't change a thing except cause health issues.

There is no such thing as a "gay" race.

As far as everyone's opinion on homosexuality... let it be. Live your life and let the homosexual live his.

I have heard, however, that ignorance is bliss.

[Jeimuzu]

Reproduction is subjective. Steroids and testosterone won't change a thing except cause health issues.

There is no such thing as a "gay" race.

As far as everyone's opinion on homosexuality... let it be. Live your life and let the homosexual live his.

I have heard, however, that ignorance is bliss.

I'm not out to kill them or anything, just merely speculating on the possibilities of changing a mental condition if needed or wanted.

And I refer to social categories as "races."

[SCRIBBLE]

And I refer to social categories as "races."

I do want to point out that reproduction is no longer a necessity for our species. We have become over populated and it would be an awful world to live in if everyone made proper use of their reproductive systems (not only that, but rape would be even more rampant).

[Jeimuzu]

Got ya.

I do want to point out that reproduction is no longer a necessity for our species. We have become over populated and it would be an awful world to live in if everyone made proper use of their reproductive systems (not only that, but rape would be even more rampant).

I completely understand how our race is overpopulated for this planet, but that still doesn't make logical sense. Unless these people are Christians, or believe that something else is to come for them after this life, then it doesn't make much sense as to why they wouldn't want to continue to pass down their genes. Or maybe that can relate to some of their self esteems being incredibly low (or one of the other million reasons out there).

[Fluffy Frufflebottoms]

You're suggesting that people with low self-esteem become homosexual to avoid procreating?

[SCRIBBLE]

I completely understand how our race is overpopulated for this planet, but that still doesn't make logical sense. Unless these people are Christians, or believe that something else is to come for them after this life, then it doesn't make much sense as to why they wouldn't want to continue to pass down their genes. Or maybe that can relate to some of their self esteems being incredibly low (or one of the other million reasons out there).

The only logic you can apply to homosexuality is that which you create within your own mind to rationalize something you don't understand.

The more plausible explanation for homosexual's "low self-esteem" could be chalked up to conditioning as a child and an ignorant, prejudice society.

[OMGBEARS]

There are heterosexuals who don't want children. This in no way relates to self-esteem, but instead to genes, and DNA. Specifically it relates to the gene which influences the desire to reproduce (at least in mice- http://www.popsci.com/science/articl...nd-female-mice). Homosexuals have been found in close to 1500 species, from penguins to gut worms, and these relationships don't only include sex- but also involve the courtship, bonding, etc that is found in male/female pairs.

They aren't idiots- they are human beings who simply wish to live their lives as you wish to live yours. We as humans have moved past the idea of "we must procreate or we die" as we as a race are becoming less concerned with procreating, and more concerned with self-enlightenment. Even if it was a choice- who decides what is right or what is wrong? Doesn't the Constitution guarantee "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness" to all Americans?

And no, they are not a race; your definition of "race" is incorrect. In addition, homosexuals might not be able to reproduce in homosexual partners, but they aren't required to do so. There will always be a chance for heterosexual couples to have homosexual children. This should be obvious, as if heterosexual couples only produced heterosexual children, we would not be having this discussion.

Think of it this way, James- take someone who cannot see the color blue. They simply cannot see it, no matter how hard you try to make them. It might not make sense to you why they can't see the color blue, but no matter what they will simply not be able to. Ever.

[StarsMine]

Doesn't the Constitution guarantee "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness" to all Americans?

No, that's the declaration of independence, and that is not a lawful(would that be the write word?) document

Anyways... I dont know what I wanted to say other then that :/

[OMGBEARS]

Ah, yes. Similar to the content of the 4th and 5th amendments to the Constitution which declare that the rights of "life, liberty and property" cannot be threatened by any government without due process of law. Ironically, congress passed the "Defense of Marriage Act" in 1996 which defines marriage as a union between one man and one woman. Following the Constitution is hard, isn't it? Several congressmen have wished to pass into the Constitution an Amendment barring homosexuals from being married, but such an amendment that limits and restricts the rights of a specific group of individuals has never succeeded.

This is not mentioning the "Universal Declaration of Human Rights" (in which the United States signed) states that "Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person."

[Jeimuzu]

The only logic you can apply to homosexuality is that which you create within your own mind to rationalize something you don't understand.

The more plausible explanation for homosexual's "low self-esteem" could be chalked up to conditioning as a child and an ignorant, prejudice society.

Like I may have said, there are millions of reasons and possibilities. When dealing with individuals you can usually put them in broad categories, but looking into it deeper and deeper, the possibilities are seemingly endless.

There are heterosexuals who don't want children. This in no way relates to self-esteem, but instead to genes, and DNA. Specifically it relates to the gene which influences the desire to reproduce (at least in mice- http://www.popsci.com/science/articl...nd-female-mice). Homosexuals have been found in close to 1500 species, from penguins to gut worms, and these relationships don't only include sex- but also involve the courtship, bonding, etc that is found in male/female pairs.

They aren't idiots- they are human beings who simply wish to live their lives as you wish to live yours. We as humans have moved past the idea of "we must procreate or we die" as we as a race are becoming less concerned with procreating, and more concerned with self-enlightenment. Even if it was a choice- who decides what is right or what is wrong? Doesn't the Constitution guarantee "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness" to all Americans?

Self-esteem was just to exemplify one of many reasons for such a thing. Scribbles mentioned a few other ones; such as society, and parenting. And I said something along the lines of "If their beliefs consist of--" to also give an example as to what might effect one's reasoning.

Anex hates people who prevent the advancement of human kind, and I hate when I don't see any reason for something, so naturally I'll try to rationalize it.

I suppose the original issue was "Gays in military, good or bad?"

They have to pass training in order to be on the field. If they pass, good. If they're distracted by my sexiness, that's bad. My problem is that I can't leave it at that. I want to know and discuss more and come up with the possibilities mentioned.

"A conclusion is only the point at which someone stops thinking."

And no, they are not a race; your definition of "race" is incorrect. In addition, homosexuals might not be able to reproduce in homosexual partners, but they aren't required to do so. There will always be a chance for heterosexual couples to have homosexual children. This should be obvious, as if heterosexual couples only produced heterosexual children, we would not be having this discussion.

Think of it this way, James- take someone who cannot see the color blue. They simply cannot see it, no matter how hard you try to make them. It might not make sense to you why they can't see the color blue, but no matter what they will simply not be able to. Ever.

It isn't in the dictionary, it's my way of referring to social categories as I explained. I'm sure if you looked around on the forums you would find me using it in that context.

Funny thing is, when I refer to idiot race, you say "They aren't idiots, they're human," as if they were a race.. Or maybe being human is a social category. In that case, I sacrificed my humanity for the sake of those not human long ago.

I had a conversation with a family member the other day and I was trying to explain the difference between concepts and actualities. We can understand the concept of infinity but when it comes to actually visualizing it my mind starts to overheat and I knock myself out, or something along those lines. Though one could argue that infinity simply stands for a number uncountable by us but is in fact a value that is not endless.

That kind of relates to your "Seeing Blue" concept. They might not be able to see blue, but they could understand that there is another color out there that they aren't seeing.

But I have to say, what does being gay have to do with seeing blue? I mean, I can understand what you're saying, but literalism sets better with me.