Supernatural Mafia

[phil.™]

The only problem I have with lynching Phil, is that IF Nemesis is lying, roleblocks Scribble, and kionay dies on Night 3. Scribble will look like a liar, as Nem will most likely say he roleblocked some other random person like "Mikey, because he's scummy".

Granted he COULD do the same if I were to be lynched, BUT we'd know for a fact that the Cop is not insane.

The situation really is between Scribble and Nem, because they're the ones with the contradicting abilities on Night 2. They're the ones we need to worry about come Day 4, if either of them are still alive.

One of them is lying, and I'm leaning towards Scribble, because a Godfather+Jailer role for Nem is OP as fuck and I wouldn't think that WHAT would put that in play.

One or two of these VT claimed are lying, easy to fake claim a VT.
So the way I see it, many people want me dead, for playing scummy. Which, i can see that I played scummy, but they were acting scummy for me to be scummy does this seem scummy to you?
Anywho, this is what we'll do. We vote lynch me, i show up as VT (not lying). Everyone proceeds as follows. Kion does an investigation on another claimed "VT". Provides info next day.

ORRR, we could just vote lynch who we think is godfather, nem.

[Nemesis]

I meant I'm leaning towards Nemesis as the one lying. He's most likely Godfather with no roleblocking power and has been lying since day 2 when he said he used his power on Aco.

Which is interesting, because gambling with an ability like that on a random player is suuuuper risky. So either Nemesis knew that Aco had no "ability" (because Aco is the Mafia Goon/Hitman) and was sure that Aco wouldn't put his claim on Blast.

In that scenario the past couple days' events make sense to me.

If you've all noticed we have no Crowley or Lucifer, prime candidates for a Godfather type role. Everyone claimed are basically minor roles aside from Dean, Sam, Castiel and Gabriel. It doesn't make sense to me, especially with the Flavor text.

I believe Nemesis and Aco are mafia, due to Nemesis' claim of "Jailer" and using his ability on Aco Night 1 because it was SAFE, and his contradiction with Scribble. Not to mention he's been playing scummy this entire game. I'm going to go with my original gut feeling from Day 1.

VOTE NEMESIS

Hey everyone! Look at the retard! Everyone come look!

But really, you're saying I was able to successfully:
1. Pick a character that no one else has, in a show I know nothing about.
2. pick a role that no one else has
3. fake actions on characters that could not take actions by simple luck since no one had claimed at that point.

All this while Scribble has actively lied about his role and protections, and has been blindly defended by Phil and Sin. AND cleared by the cop, fuck people.

I hope all you people aren't that fucking retarded.

[Sin]

Hey everyone! Look at the retard! Everyone come look!

But really, you're saying I was able to successfully:
1. Pick a character that no one else has, in a show I know nothing about.
2. pick a role that no one else has
3. fake actions on characters that could not take actions by simple luck since no one had claimed at that point.

All this while Scribble has actively lied about his role and protections, and has been blindly defended by Phil and Sin. AND cleared by the cop, fuck people.

I hope all you people aren't that fucking retarded.

Yeah I suppose I got a little ahead of myself. You're just hard to trust because you're a piece of shit Canadian.

Ugh. This is a critical day, because if we don't make the right decision then Day 4 is moot, and Day 5 we lose.

[Nemesis]

Remember if I get the goon tonight it's game over and we win.

[Sin]

Blackmage, vote on someone nigga. You have YET to vote. Let's go.

UNVOTE

[Nemesis]

Blackmage, vote on someone nigga. You have YET to vote. Let's go.

UNVOTE

Maybe he can't? Voteless is a thing. While bastard of the mod, it does exist.

[Sin]

IF he's voteless then he lied about his hard claim.

And liars get lynched.

[Nemesis]

IF he's voteless then he lied about his hard claim.

And liars get lynched.

Ya just like we lynched Scrib, right?

[Sin]

People need to vote on someone though, I wanna be the Hammer vote pls.

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You could be lying as well, Nem! It's your word against his, he was eager to prove it to us though, and you weren't.

[Nemesis]

People need to vote on someone though, I wanna be the Hammer vote pls.

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You could be lying as well, Nem! It's your word against his, he was eager to prove it to us though, and you weren't.

Read. I posted the things I would have had to do in order to be lying and you agreed it's a pretty big stretch.

[phil.™]

I have honestly no idea who to vote for, as we have been going back and forth on the same idea and concept for the past 20 pages.
We need a deadline, to get shit moving. I suggest What gives us a deadline.

[Sin]

I mean lying about Roleblocking Scribs in Night 2.

[Nemesis]

I mean lying about Roleblocking Scribs in Night 2.

Roleblocked the shit out of him. He was all like, "Yo, can I has this action?" and I was all, "Noze-way Blackie!"

Tru stry.

[Sin]

Everyone Vote scribble. If he's legit, Nem is lying and he can get lynched tomorrow.

But it also means Kionay is dead no matter what.

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Lynching Phil gives us nothing to go off of tomorrow.

[phil.™]

Everyone Vote scribble. If he's legit, Nem is lying and he can get lynched tomorrow.

But it also means Kionay is dead no matter what.

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Lynching Phil gives us nothing to go off of tomorrow.

Why would lynching me give us nothing for tomorrow?
Scribbs protects kion, and kion investigates someone else, Mikey or Pass or whoever.

[Sin]

Because the issue we're facing is the Nem vs. Scribs scenario. Lynching you will only tell us if you're town/mafia like anyone else, except the main issue at hand will still be up in the air. We'd get no definitive answer, and only entertain the possibility of them contradicting each other AGAIN, leaving us in the same situation we're in today.

[Nemesis]

And there is also the chance that it's Blackmage, Mikey, and Blade and that Scribble, Phil, and Sin are just the worst possible players to ever join a mafia game.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

Not really. If scribbs is being honest, he will likley die protecting the cop and that incriminates nem equal to every other plan you had. Any 4 of you has the same outcome pretty much.

[Sin]

In the best case scenario:

- Scribble dies protecting Kionay
- Kionay is able to investigate Mikey/Blackmage/ect...
- Nemesis is able to potentially block the mafia hitman if he guesses correctly, meaning no one will die

And we'd have a happy little adventure figuring out who the other mafia members are.

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But that can't possibly happen because EITHER NEM OR SCRIBS IS LYING!

[Nemesis]

In the best case scenario:

- Scribble dies protecting Kionay
- Kionay is able to investigate Mikey/Blackmage/ect...
- Nemesis is able to potentially block the mafia hitman if he guesses correctly, meaning no one will die

And we'd have a happy little adventure figuring out who the other mafia members are.

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But that can't possibly happen because EITHER NEM OR SCRIBS IS LYING!

There is a scenario where both me and Scrib are Town but I'm not sure if I'm allowed to discuss it because it would be calling out the mod as terrible and we all know how this mod gets when you mention him (i.e. Sandy)

[Nemesis]

Well that killed discussion.

[Sin]

Yeah wtf happened to you faggots?

[phil.™]

Sorry, was working on 2 cars. Next car doesn't come till 12:30pm EST.
LET'S TALK BUSINESS.

Who are our potential candidates to get lynched? We just need names, as our last 20 pages have been scenarios/reasons of why we would lynch them.

Sin and nem, who are your top 3 picks?

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Or atleast top 2 picks? This may very well go down to what Mikey's plan.

[Sin]

Sin, Nemesis or Scribble are my choices.

[Wolfenstinger]

Let's say everything is true so far.

Nemesis is Town Roleblocker
Kionay is Town Cop #2
Scribbles is in fact, Town Bodyguard
Passarelli is Town Double-Voter -> Questionable but i'll take it
Cyber(Me) is Town Hunter

If we just lynch off somebody not in this loop, presumably Aco, Phil, Mikey, Sin, BlackMage, Blade (??3rdParty Survivor ??)... we gain some info through fake VT claims while Nemesis takes his pick on who to cock block during the night (Not Aco or Scribbles for the fact people still died.)




...wait...

Blackmage - what's the benefit in potentially 3 townies dying if I get lynched and fail to pick the person to shoot, and we lose another townie at night? The numbers go from 11 to 8, and last I checked, that's bad isn't it?

[phil.™]

Mine is: Sin, Phil, and Nem.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

Phil, sin, nem.

Scribbs is telling the truth we need him alive the following night

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If scribbles ia telling the truth* stupid dial up phone service. Fuck tmobile.

[phil.™]

tmobile.

We should vote mikey for this lol

[Nemesis]

Phil, sin, nem.

Scribbs is telling the truth we need him alive the following night

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If scribbles ia telling the truth* stupid dial up phone service. Fuck tmobile.

Yes, an if I am you need me. So it doesn't hold much water.

[kionay]

we can't put scrib up for potential lynch because if he is lying i'm dead anyway, but if he's telling he truth (and that % chance is non-zero) then that chance is more than enough reason to keep him alive

i'd say sin, nem, or phil

but i'm strongly leaning towards phil because i'm not sure about the other two, where with phil i'm very much so more sure of

and, really, as long as we lynch anyone claiming VT the very act of us progressing the game will give us more information than we're likely to gather from us bickering back and forth for another idk how many uncountable number of pages

-_-

[phil.™]

i'd say sin, nem, or phil

but i'm strongly leaning towards phil because i'm not sure about the other two, where with phil i'm very much so more sure of

What do you mean you're not sure about the other two. You investigated sin and nem, they came clean on your end. Didn't they?
Or were you lying about that. Lies = Scum. Scum = Lynch.

[Sin]

He's not sure because there's a possibility that there is a Godfather in play, and if so Nem is the Godfather.

Niggas I'm innocent as fuck.

[kionay]

He's not sure because there's a possibility that there is a Godfather in play

this. or i'm paranoid and they're both mafia, or i'm naïve and one or both are mafia

[Sin]

Which is why I said lynch me so that we can be CERTAIN that you're a sane cop, or naive at worst. I'd almost just rather lynch Nemesis though.

He's a scumbag.

[kionay]

Niggas I'm innocent as fuck.

oh, well why didn't you say so before?

that's it everybody, game's over, sin's got this because lying isn't an inherent part of the game /s

:P

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and sin, lynching you if i'm mafia means lynching a known VT (supposedly) where there's much better options (such as lynching practically known scum, Phil)

[Sin]

Hey man, I've said since day 1 that y'all can lynch me and be done with it. Not like I have any cool powers to use at Night.

[kionay]

naive* not mafia. dafuq did i put mafia down?

mah brain's fried, been doing a lot of math recently for work -_-

[Sin]

Phil isn't known scum though. He's no more scummy than Nem or Scribs at this point.

FUCKING NIGGERS VOTE!

[What]

Over 100 pages and 1,000 posts.

Day 3 will end at noon on Friday the 13th. No consensus will result in a no lynch.

[kionay]

Phil isn't known scum though. He's no more scummy than Nem or Scribs at this point.

FUCKING NIGGERS VOTE!

practically known, i mean c'mon -_-

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Over 100 pages and 1,000 posts.

Day 3 will end at noon on Friday the 13th. No consensus will result in a no lynch.

tomorrow is friday the 13th? well i'll be damned if that isn't appropriate?

[Sin]

Who cares how long the thread is. I think it's pretty damn awesome.

Okay I'm gonna go along with you dummies who wanna vote for Phil to just move this along.

VOTE PHILIPE

[acolyte_to_jippity]

tomorrow is friday the 13th? well i'll be damned if that isn't appropriate?

yeah, graduation day for me. no, the irony does not escape me.

also, fuck this shit. we need to do something.

vote sin

gives us the info we need to actually end this shit.

[Sin]

Wait if we get enough votes for me, I'll unvote and Hammer myself! EPIC!

[Wolfenstinger]

Vote Sin

Have at it Sin.

inb4 VT Lynched announcement and another Towny dead at night.

[Sin]

How many votes do we need today for a lynch? And how many are on me right now, just 2?

[Blackmage]

On voting, I don't want to vote unless I feel sure it's scum. As that doesn't seem to be an option, I'll do it this way. Kion, tell me who to vote for.

My suspicion is on, Nem, Blade and... No real opinion beyond that. I have suspicion on a number of VTs as well, but not like those two.

For Wolf:

Having an odd number of players is often better for the mafia than the town. Even having one more player can actually be worse for the town.

With 8 players instead of 9, we still need 5 votes to lynch. Supposing 3 scum, you need 2 town to kill someone, and the votee won't self vote. Well, the math is a little different with Pass, but, anyway. A larger percentage of the town needs to be convinced with smaller numbers. I don't know if you remember a certain coinflip, where a townie was not convinced.

Another thing is, with the indecision of the players, it puts the kill entirely in the hands of the town, without mafia influence. It's a play that should be saved as long as possible, but an outted Hunter is like an outted bomb, not as useful, in this case because he makes himself a night target. This is a big part of why I said to make sure you thought it a good idea.

I also wanted to get this play mention in case I die today or tonight. It doesn't have to be used today, but I didn't want the play not mentioned in case it becomes useful.

[phil.™]

Kion you're going to feel dumb as FUCK after you investigate me and know you just wasted a night to investigate someone else, and mafia will target you the following night.
GOOD JOB! You better do something useful tonight.

Vote Phil

[Sin]

Wait... did Phil just hammer himself?! YOU STOLE MY FUCKING SPOTLIGHT BITCH!

[Wolfenstinger]

Unvote Sin

Vote Wolfenstinger

My body is ready.

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Wait nevermind no its not.
Unvote Wolfenstinger
Vote Sin

Ok continue with what we're going with.

[phil.™]

My body is ready.


bahahahaha

[Sin]

Everyone change your votes to me, now. Whoever's reading the thread right now. Let's do this.

[Wolfenstinger]

Vote Count:
Nem: Scribble
Sin: Scribble
Scrib: Scribble
Kionay: Blade
Pass: Phil
Aco: Phil

Since this post, I count 5 on phil.

Nem unvoted and voted onto Phil
Then Sin
And then Phil voted himself.

[Sin]

I don't think Nem ever unvoted from Scrib.

[Wolfenstinger]

vote Phil

You're right. He never unvoted from scribble. He jokingly voted onto What inbetween this post and the one quoted earlier.

[Nemesis]

unvote

extra vote What

vote scrib

[Blackmage]

I believe this is current vote count:

Nem votes scrib
Scrib votes scrib

phil votes phil
sin votes phil
kion votes phil
pass votes phil(x2)

aco votes sin
wolf votes sin

so 2 on scrib, 5 on phil, 2 on sin. Kion, would you like me to hammer phil?

[BladeTwinSwords]

I would, I could, but I won't. I just don't believe in lynching phil.

[Sin]

Is it because HE'S the original Vampire and turned you and he's your master now?!

[BladeTwinSwords]

Is it because HE'S the original Vampire and turned you and he's your master now?!

Lol, I wish! I could be thuper sthparkly.

[Sin]

I really don't agree lynching Phil will net us anything of value going into tomorrow.

Unvote
VOTE SIN

[kionay]

just... goddamnit

sin, i hope your body is ready

Unvote
VOTE SIN

blackmage, let's do this, vote sin and let's see how this plays out

DROP THE HAMMAH!

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woah woah woah wati a minute i thoguht we only needed 5 to lynch?

[Blackmage]

VOTE SIN

We need at least half, half af 11, rounded up is 6.

[kionay]

11? oh, wait, who hasn't voted at all?

goddamnit

[Blackmage]

Nem votes scrib
Scrib votes scrib

phil votes phil
pass votes phil(x2)

aco votes sin
wolf votes sin
sin votes sin
kion votes sin
mage votes sin

unvoted: Mikey, Blade

[kionay]

mikey, blade, eehhh someone drop the hammer on sin mmkay? get this show on the road

[Sin]

Goodbye my children.

[BladeTwinSwords]

FUCK IT! Let's just end this day and get this shit over with.

Vote Sin

That's the 2nd time I've hammered.

[Sin]

Before i die if scribs dies tonight lynch nem!

[BladeTwinSwords]

Before i die if scribs dies tonight lynch nem!

The one time Nem is actually mafia while playing scummy!

[What]

Thats a lynch scene coming shortly no more talking.

[What]

Voted for Lynch: Aco, Wolfen, Sin, Kion, Blackmage, Blade

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Now:

The day was long and restless, but hard choices had to be made.
Accusations were being thrown around with no resolution in site, until one man stepped forward.

“Dammit, I don’t like this more than anyone else, but it has to be done.”


“You can’t be serious, we need you, hell I need you.”

“You guys couldn’t hit the water if you fell out of the boat, maybe this can finally give you some clarity.”


“But isn’t there some other way?”

“It can’t be helped, if I need to give myself up so that you all can survive this, so be it.”

And with that, Rufus nobly proceeded towards the gallows, hoping beyond hope that they could pull themselves together and survive this nightmare.

Sin – Rufus Turner (Vanilla Townie) has been lynched

The town went to bed weeping this night, though among the tears, smiles could be seen.

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Night 3 begins.

[brett friggin favre]

***good job, it took you guys 30 pages to lynch someone who claimed early on day 1***

[Sin]

***ahhh remember simbaaaaa... rememberrrr***

[CYBER]

***good job, it took you guys 30 pages to lynch someone who claimed early on day 1***


* "I went through hell and back for THIS????" *

[Nemesis]

Worst. Player. Ever.

[Sin]

***nem's a faaaaaaggoooooot***

[Nemesis]

Eeeeevvvvvvvveeeeeerrrrrr.

[CYBER]

* I see dead people *

[Wolfenstinger]

zzzZZZ

[Sin]

Longest night ever. Hurry up faggots.

[Wolfenstinger]

Shhh... you'll wake up ... the sound....

[acolyte_to_jippity]

Longest night ever. Hurry up faggots.

honestly, idc. i just got back from commencement, so its gonna be booze-o-clock shortly. least this way i won't miss anything.

[CYBER]

**lets kill off the ppl who were talkative and drag this on forever, the ibis way. fuck u guys are slow as fuck. i mean : wooooooooooooooooo. I am a ghost. High five!** -.-

[Nemesis]

**lets kill off the ppl who were talkative and drag this on forever, the ibis way. fuck u guys are slow as fuck. i mean : wooooooooooooooooo. I am a ghost. High five!** -.-

You're not a ghost you were removed. You don't get to make ghost sounds. Mexican.

[What]

Then:

As night descended on the town, everyone became aware of their diminishing numbers.
Perhaps desperation will lead to salvation.

“We have them right where we need them, now to deal a crushing blow.”


“Agreed, it’s time to strike.”



“I hope you are right, now go”

With that one separated from the others looking for the opportunity to strike his target without an audience.

When the time came, he began to creep up in the shadows, but he was not unobserved.

“Hey, what do you think you’re doing?”


“Mind your own business, if you know what is best for you.”

“So, it’s you. You have caused my family and friends enough pain, I will not let you pass!”


“You can’t defeat me.”

“I don’t need to, I just need to stop you!”

With that a struggle occurred, a glint of yellow, and a snap of the neck.

Scribble – Sam Winchester (Town Bodyguard) has died.

A fortunate man continued to seek answers, while another was taken aside for the night.

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Now:

Day 4 begins:

[phil.™]

Kion! Who did you investigate? Results?

[BladeTwinSwords]

Figures this would happen...

Ok. Cop (kion), what did you get?

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Fuck you phil

[phil.™]

LOL hahahaha missed it by THAT much

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Dear sweet jesus, please tell me he didnt waste his investigation on me...

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This is also following up on sin/mikey post

If we lynch Sin:

- Sin is dead and confirmed VT
- Proving Nem is the Godfather as he came up innocent
- Scribs (if Townie Bodyguard) could protect Kionay
- Kionay investigates Blackmage/Mikey/Aco/Phil

[BladeTwinSwords]

Well now we have 9 people left. We need 5 to lynch. If we lose one more, we are screwed.

[Nemesis]

Blackmage isn't the goon. Could still be mafia but isn't goon.

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Also Phil is retarded so ignore the Mexican.

[phil.™]

Nem is godfather, willing to sacrifice bm, goon, to get the cop at night.

[Nemesis]

I said bm isn't good you idiot.

[Blackmage]

I said bm isn't good you idiot.

Aww, I'm hurt. Anyway, I believe Nem is saying he jailed me. Now, we wait for Kionay.

[Nemesis]

Aww, I'm hurt. Anyway, I believe Nem is saying he jailed me. Now, we wait for Kionay.

I meant goon. Auto correct.

[kionay]

damn you guys been F5ing this shit?

mikey came back innocent (fuck my luck, just can't get a guilty, maybe i'm naive, idk)

[BladeTwinSwords]

That makes me almost suspect you are a Naive Cop.

[Nemesis]

That makes me almost suspect you are a Naive Cop.

Or unlucky.

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So I think we should change our focus. Look at the people who said nothing while Sin and Scibble ruined the game and played utterly terrible.

They sunk the game and I'm not sure if it can be salvaged. But then again shitty play has plagued this from the start.

[Passarelli]

So that means Blackmage, Phil, and Aco are the only claimed unconfirmed VTs left? These are the ones most likely to be scum, correct?

How does the goon + godfather work? If there are 2 goons with a godfather, do they have to guess which one will be roleblocked if nem correctly guesses and the other can make the scum kill? Can the godfather make the scum kill if a goon is alive?

If there are 2 goons and a godfather, if the godfather doesn't make the kill, we could jail one of the 3, lynch one, and there would be a 50% chance of correctly blocking the kill, if we think those 2 are the goons. If there are 2 goons, there is a 50% chance already that blackmage isn't scum. If everyone trusts this, we should be able to block the kill. Keep in mind I'm new to this, especially the end game. Please let me know if you see any flaws in my logic so I can try to formulate a better plan.

Jailer can successfully block a faction kill if he jails a mafia going to make the kill, correct?

Also, alternatively, Nem could try to block the kill on Kionay to give us another day. That said, the mafia know this and might target someone else.

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So I think we should change our focus. Look at the people who said nothing while Sin and Scibble ruined the game and played utterly terrible.

People who voted for sin threw it. He was pretty clearly a sane or naive cop. For him to get 2/2 and now 3/3 investigations with all innocent results should have been enough to prove that.

What did we gain besides knowing that Kionay is sane by lynching Sin?

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*Kionay was pretty clearly a sane cop, not Sin.

[kionay]

well since there's no more clear information then i guess we go with the safe bet and lynch blade no?

[Passarelli]

I'd rather try to block the scum kill if we can and gain an extra day. Blade I guess could be scum posing as 3rd party which would reduce our odds of blocking it.

[BladeTwinSwords]

I'm up for whatever. If you all want to lynch me, then I'm fine with it. Kion, who would you investigate on Night 4?

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Even though you honestly don't have many choices left to investigate.

[phil.™]

Kion will most likely die before he can tell us. That is why last night investigation must have been crucial.
We are in a blind lynch here.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

Did you all just up and forget phils behavior in d3? Did you all forget the plan we established prior to lynching sin? Pass, you are not 200 percent confirmed either. You were never investigsted.

[Nemesis]

Unless I get lucky. I can basically win the game tonight. I'm getting closer and closer and I'm pretty sure who it is. Finding the other one while I rb the goon is the challenge.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

Sorry for my inactivity. My internet is down, bought a new modem and coax... still no fucking luck.

[Nemesis]

Except you've been on mumble, have you not?

[phil.™]

Mikey, correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't you also be godfather, that came up innocent to kion?
Let's remember I volunteered to be lynched in lieu of sin's place.

[Nemesis]

Did Mikey say he was a VT? I'm on my phone and can't go back.

[kionay]

Mikey, correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't you also be godfather, that came up innocent to kion?
Let's remember I volunteered to be lynched in lieu of sin's place.

rrright

i might my naive, anyone i've investigated thus far (except sin coz he's dead) could have been godfather

in any case i think that phil or blade is the next lynch, i don't see any obvious reason to go with anyone else

[phil.™]

I'm on my phone as well, but I believe he did. One of the last ones to claim at that.

[Nemesis]

Can we just get this over with?

[phil.™]

Can we just get this over with?

Who do you say we lynch?

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

I knew youd use the "but I wanted to benlynched so that proves im not a scum durr" line.

Nem, I have not, my ability to connect to the fuxking web right now is real and I cant be any more pissed about it.

You wanna throw the godfather card? Any one not confirmed could be the god father... that means everyone still alive could be the god father.

Being that the scummiest person atill alive at this point is you phil... well, I think you get my point.

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ALso nem, can you expoand on what you said about blackmage? Can you confirm he isnt the goon and how?

[Nemesis]

I knew youd use the "but I wanted to benlynched so that proves im not a scum durr" line.

Nem, I have not, my ability to connect to the fuxking web right now is real and I cant be any more pissed about it.

You wanna throw the godfather card? Any one not confirmed could be the god father... that means everyone still alive could be the god father.

Being that the scummiest person atill alive at this point is you phil... well, I think you get my point.

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ALso nem, can you expoand on what you said about blackmage? Can you confirm he isnt the goon and how?

I roleblocked him and someone still died, therefore he's not the killer. This does not mean he isn't mafia, just that he's not the prime killing role.

[phil.™]

If you are not mafia, mafia may target you next versus kion, as you are giving more info than kion.

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If you are in fact a roleblocker, don't say anymore about your night plan.

[kionay]

If you are not mafia, mafia may target you next versus kion, as you are giving more info than kion.

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If you are in fact a roleblocker, don't say anymore about your night plan.

FUCK i wanna know if i'm naive or not

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[phil.™]

Again, sorry I'm on my phone and in traffic, do not want to look through thread. Can someone confirm what I say.

VT Claimed but unconfirmed: Phil, Aco, BM
Cleared by kion: Nem and Mikey.

Am I correct?

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Or was it pass that was a claimed VT but unconfirmed? Wait, pass is judge right?

[Nemesis]

As far as I know Mikey is not confirmed.

[phil.™]

As far as I know Mikey is not confirmed.

We can say that about you, and every single player that is still alive. :/ we are literally at a stand still, and most likely go into a blind lynch. Unless we go for a no lynch. This is my second game, can someone please educate me the pros and cons of a no lynch day4 with the players we have? Or is a no lynch even possible?

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

No one is confirmed tech. Also kion, does it say in your role description that you are a naive cop? What specificlly stated there was going to be no hidden modifiers.

[Nemesis]

We can say that about you, and every single player that is still alive. :/ we are literally at a stand still, and most likely go into a blind lynch. Unless we go for a no lynch. This is my second game, can someone please educate me the pros and cons of a no lynch day4 with the players we have? Or is a no lynch even possible?

Yes we can do it. No I don't think it's a good idea yet. It will be a good idea once I find the goon but before then it's not good.

Basically we need to pick right today. If we pick wrong then we're at the point where numbers aren't on our side.

We've been handicapped by retarded players on our side so we have to make it count.

Mikey hasn't been confirmed so I'm saying him for now.

[phil.™]

Yes we can do it. No I don't think it's a good idea yet. It will be a good idea once I find the goon but before then it's not good.

Basically we need to pick right today. If we pick wrong then we're at the point where numbers aren't on our side.

We've been handicapped by retarded players on our side so we have to make it count.

Mikey hasn't been confirmed so I'm saying him for now.

A Mikey vote is the same as a vote on me. Maybe more towards me from people as nobody investigated me.
So now we ask, do we want to random vote lynch? Or do one of us take one for the team?

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Following up on "a mikey vote or my vote" Or a vote on anyone else unconfirmed.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

That dosnt make any sense, nobody is confirmed. The only thing you and me have over anyonebis kionay confirmation. As far as im concerned, our plan was to clarify if tou were lying and phil still is not off my possible scum list. You two are behaving as if your shit dosnt stink.

According to the plan that we commited to, the outcome is that nem lied. I voiced against the idea but here we are. The whole point of d3 was to establish a good idea on who we lynch d4 and my gut is saying phil or nem. Which hasnt changed for at all.

[Nemesis]

Well that's stupid Mikey so if you'd like to continue to play with extra chromosomes keep it up, but if not just sit to the side if you're not gonna contribute anything useful.

[phil.™]

Nobody here is safe, that is all we know.
I acted scummy, I am willing to sacrifice myself for the town, only if it will give town the advantage. BUT, before doing so, we need to get input from others. BM, Wolf, Pass etc.

As of right now, NOBODY is confirmed. Like i said, we either go in blind lynching, or we dont lynch at all, which nem has explained his position for a no lynch.
Nem's role is kind of hard to fake claim. It's kind of easy to fake claim a VT.

If we vote lynch, I say we vote lynch any of the VT's, mikey included.

[Passarelli]

Any thoughts on the plan I posted earlier?

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Phil, I gave my input earlier. Noone said anything about it. >.>

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

i dont think fake claims are easy because of the role someone lies about. If anything fake claiming becomes hard when you need to think of a name to associate with your role that you think isnt already taken. Due to the sheer size of the supernatural cast, its almost impossible not to fake claim with a name.

Perhaps we look at names and there relevance to the story/flavor and confirmed names (dead people). Anyone with a misplaced or odd name that dosnt suit the flavor is likley lying.

[phil.™]

If we do this, I will not be active as I am not familiar with the story line and I have lined morning and early afternoon for tints tomorrow.

[Wolfenstinger]

Aight.... Here's what I know. Feel free to argue, banter, ignore, comment, etc... These are my opinions. It's how I feel at the moment :

Kionay - Town Cop
Sin - Dead Townie
Passarelli - "Double-Voter"
Cyber (Me) - DEANNNNNNNNNNN (Hunter)
Nemesis - ?? Cock-Blocker ... COULD BE ACTUAL MURDERER THIS WHOLE TIME. Which one - would be hilarious and also mean that Sin was right from the get-go since there is actually no confirmation that any of his cock blocks are working from the victims. Just assumptions.
Old Bastid (NewBrettypoop) - Dead Town Faith Healer ( RIP )
Phil - VT?? He's antsy. Eye him.
Stan - Dead Town Cop (Confirmed D1 RIP)
Aco - VT?? Playing passive-ish.
Blackmage - VT?? At the moment... I Blindly Trust him until further notice.
Brettypoop - 3rd Party DeadWolf
BladeTwinSwords - 3rd Party Survivor ??; He doesn't care but at the same time, he's just pushing for the game to end quicker one way or another.
DJ_Mikey - VT??
Scribble - Ded Town Bodyguard
Locust - Confirmed Dead VT


Off of this; I know who I'll shoot. Dropping the numbers. And to confirm that everyone... and I mean EVERYONE here is made aware of who that is...

I love him enough to shoot him in the heart and share the glory.

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Some of this is terribly typed. I'm sorry. Not home at the moment as I typed this up earlier and it looked somewhat prettier than what is posted. Deal with it.

[Passarelli]

You forgot to color dead on DeadWolf.

You pretty much hit the nail on the head Wolf.

I trust blackmage also until we kill all the goons.

I see it between Phil, Aco, and Mikey for the goons. If there is a godfather, it could really be anyone. What happens if we kill all the goons? Does the godfather have to start killing people? And if so, would he start coming up as scum if the cop investigates them? If we do get it right, and Nem roleblocks the other goon (if there are 2), we might be able to salvage this game or at least buy more time to find the godfather.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

Off of this; I know who I'll shoot. Dropping the numbers. And to confirm that everyone... and I mean EVERYONE here is made aware of who that is...

I love him enough to shoot him in the heart and share the glory.



...is it phil?

[phil.™]

...is it phil?

Oh, it's def aco. lol

[Wolfenstinger]

I forgot a LOT of colors. Posting with half asleep rambles while making probably the best speculations i can from my perspective because i'm actually trying to participate is the best I can do I guess. But yes, think of it like this Pass...


I shoot somebody out of free will because I get lynched. There are no modifiers that will stop me unless they have a vest (which I doubt with the setup, but if they do that's really a bastard of a mod.... ). Even if I don't hit the goon, you have nemesis's "word" that he is the Roleblocker. There is still 0, and I mean 0 confirmation that we can actually believe that Nemesis is a Town Roleblocker if none of the victims at the moment could say they've been blocked. Which is unfortunate, but also if he IS, he's just having bad luck hitting the right people at the moment due to there being not much to go off of other than "I wanna cockblock this person. I HOPE nobody dies and then I will just spam it on this person the rest of game."


Also if Nemesis's "role-block" is deemed unsuccessful yet again... refer back to my list. The irony in it.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

You forgot to color dead on DeadWolf.

You pretty much hit the nail on the head Wolf.

I trust blackmage also until we kill all the goons.

I see it between Phil, Aco, and Mikey for the goons. If there is a godfather, it could really be anyone. What happens if we kill all the goons? Does the godfather have to start killing people? And if so, would he start coming up as scum if the cop investigates them? If we do get it right, and Nem roleblocks the other goon (if there are 2), we might be able to salvage this game or at least buy more time to find the godfather.

You sre aware I was investigated right? Or did you just completely forget. If I was goon I would have shown up anti town.

[Passarelli]

I thought that Sin, Nem, and Blackmage were investigated? My bad. *sigh, goes back to read*

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Yep, my bad, blackmage was roleblocked not investigated. That leaves Phil and Aco as possibilities. However, if Nem is lying we should take a look at who he has 'roleblocked' so far.

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Nem, if I were you, I would prove tonight that you are telling the truth.

[kionay]

No one is confirmed tech. Also kion, does it say in your role description that you are a naive cop? What specificlly stated there was going to be no hidden modifiers.

oh, this didn't occur to me, it does not list any modifiers

so i guess this proves i'm sane?

alright, now we just gotta figure out who might be godfather i suppose?

[phil.™]

alright, now we just gotta figure out who might be godfather i suppose?

Any ideas? We've been lynching power roles and VT's the whole time.

[Passarelli]

If that is the case, why did we kill Sin again? If Kionay were sane from the get go (cop with no modifiers), why did you not point that out earlier? I thought that was the whole point of lynching Sin--to make sure Kionay was sane. If it would show that he were naive, it would have shown if he were insane as well.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

If that is the case, why did we kill Sin again? If Kionay were sane from the get go (cop with no modifiers), why did you not point that out earlier? I thought that was the whole point of lynching Sin--to make sure Kionay was sane. If it would show that he were naive, it would have shown if he were insane as well.

it was also to move into the night phase where IF scribbs died, apparently we could conclude that nem was lying.

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Before i die if scribs dies tonight lynch nem!

from sin, moments before his death. So i suppose it comes down to how much we trust in sins plan.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

from sin, moments before his death. So i suppose it comes down to how much we trust in sins plan.

well, he was town.

i'd be willing to say 'go for it'

[Passarelli]

Wouldn't it have been better to remove one of the unconfirmed VTs? That is what I was saying.

Nem had already said he was going to try to block the Scum rather then protect someone. Also:


...while another was taken aside for the night.

Seems to indicate a jailer, or at least a role blocker.

So unless you read something differently in the flavor, I'm pretty sure that helps clear him.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

Wouldn't it have been better to remove one of the unconfirmed VTs? That is what I was saying.

Nem had already said he was going to try to block the Scum rather then protect someone. Also:



Seems to indicate a jailer, or at least a role blocker.

So unless you read something differently in the flavor, I'm pretty sure that helps clear him.

that could mean several things and though a jailer using his ability could be one, it dosnt make sense. The jailer dosnt move anyone or take them away ect.

[Passarelli]

With that, if the rest of you think that bit of flavor clears Nem, we should look at Aco. He has been very quiet then jumps on Nem. Thank you Mikey for making me go back and re-read.

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What role do you think would make sense for that flavor? Jailkeeper is the only one I saw that would fit it, especially with the confirmed roles we have now.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

With that, if the rest of you think that bit of flavor clears Nem, we should look at Aco. He has been very quiet then jumps on Nem. Thank you Mikey for making me go back and re-read.

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What role do you think would make sense for that flavor? Jailkeeper is the only one I saw that would fit it, especially with the confirmed roles we have now.

Well, it could be several roles that could fit in with what we can confirm from deaths.

First off, no one is confirmed, i dont know how many times i need to express this. Second off, the lists of claims cant be trusted as people could of easily lied about it, secondly, im sure people have lied about there roles and have mafia power roles. More times then not, roleblocker is mafia, nem isnt claiming roleblocker though. something most of you fail to understand with your posts. Roleblocker and jailer are two completely different roles.

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taken aside for the night could mean several things like i said. It dosnt necessarily mean someone took someone aside (somthing the jailer dosnt even do in the first place) It could mean a player decided to use there role as such was not a part of the "flavor text" because they were "away" i.e. a tracker, watcher, voyeur. A town or mafia bus could have moved a player around with another, thus getting such flavor text ect. The possibilities are not limitless but are very large.

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now, assuming everyone has told the truth, yes, it clears nem. However, not everyone could have told the truth. Actually, only under ONE circumstance could everyone actually be telling the truth and that is blade is holding us back from a town win. Again, that is extremely unlikley as someone is dying every night and no mafia have died.

[Passarelli]

Claimed roles is what I meant. Jailer is a combined roleblocker and protection.

The reason I thought that flavor might be clearing Nem is a jailer takes someone and puts them in jail. I see what you are saying kinda though. I could see a roleblocker use that text, but if he were mafia roleblocker, he likely would have been blocking Kionay.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

Claimed roles is what I meant. Jailer is a combined roleblocker and protection.

The reason I thought that flavor might be clearing Nem is a jailer takes someone and puts them in jail. I see what you are saying kinda though. I could see a roleblocker use that text, but if he were mafia roleblocker, he likely would have been blocking Kionay.


Unless ofc, the mafia knew that every one apart from the godfather (who shows up inno) was flying low under the radar and were likley not to be the ones investigated.

Im not trying to discredit what you are saying but sin clearly had a plan and idea. His aim was at Nem and i never fully understood what exactly the plan entailed.
All i do know atm is that phil is still on my scum list for his behavior in D3 and even more so for trying to be the nice guy D4. I may be wrong but im sure kionay feels the same. I like to think of the cop as a leader role and would like to hear what kionay wants to do, who to lynch, ect.

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id also like a list of people nem jailed every night. If it is at all possible to clear his name with out attempting to interpret flavor text, the answers may be with who he jailed.

[phil.™]

Curiosity though, why not investigate me last night kion? I was dead sure you would have investigated me.

[Wolfenstinger]

Vote Wolfenstinger

I'm moving forward with it but i'll check back tomorrow and see if anything changes my mind because either new info is put out, somebody slipped on ice, found a snake in their boot, poisoned the waterhole... etc...

Don't mind me.

[kionay]

Unless ofc, the mafia knew that every one apart from the godfather (who shows up inno) was flying low under the radar and were likley not to be the ones investigated.

Im not trying to discredit what you are saying but sin clearly had a plan and idea. His aim was at Nem and i never fully understood what exactly the plan entailed.
All i do know atm is that phil is still on my scum list for his behavior in D3 and even more so for trying to be the nice guy D4. I may be wrong but im sure kionay feels the same. I like to think of the cop as a leader role and would like to hear what kionay wants to do, who to lynch, ect.

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id also like a list of people nem jailed every night. If it is at all possible to clear his name with out attempting to interpret flavor text, the answers may be with who he jailed.


i'm pretty scrub to be any kinda leader, but it seems to be we need to lynch blade or phil, or perhaps if someone has an epiphany and comes up with something we missed in the last hundred or so pages that can really incriminate someone

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

Vote Wolfenstinger

I'm moving forward with it but i'll check back tomorrow and see if anything changes my mind because either new info is put out, somebody slipped on ice, found a snake in their boot, poisoned the waterhole... etc...

Don't mind me.

im am in favor of your plan, who would you target, out of curiosity? We would have more then enough votes to hit them, so i wouldnt worry about them not going along with the vote.

[Passarelli]

Wolf, we might want to do that tomorrow rather then today. 9 people now, 5 to lynch. Tomorrow would be 7 people, 4 to lynch. If all the townies voted for you tomorrow, they would still get a lynch and you can shoot someone then. Otherwise if you miss, we would be 6 people with 4 to lynch and most likely 3 mafia. If you get lynched, mafia will kill me tonight and it is GG.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

im am in favor of your plan, who would you target, out of curiosity? We would have more then enough votes to hit them, so i wouldnt worry about them not going along with the vote.

actually, keep that to yourself. Last thing we need is to be stalled for another 100 pages because the person defends themselves from there fate.

[phil.™]

Last thing we need is to be stalled for another 100 pages because the person defends themselves from there fate.

I was looking for the like button, but forgot this isnt facebook.
Again, what's wrong with a no lynch? Either kion or nem will die (if they are not mafia), that way if one is telling the truth, we will atleast get information from another night without losing a VT.
No?

[Passarelli]

If Kionay dies, how would we get information?

[phil.™]

Nem said he has a good idea who it is. So mafia will either target nem, or kion. We just have to make sure 1 of them will get good results.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

I was looking for the like button, but forgot this isnt facebook.
Again, what's wrong with a no lynch? Either kion or nem will die (if they are not mafia), that way if one is telling the truth, we will atleast get information from another night without losing a VT.
No?

bbecause, our objective right now is to eliminate the goon and stop the mafias killing power. If wolf feels confident in who is plans to target, we can trust that or make a lynch. Voting no lynch does nothing for town as we will be one less role that can confirm who the goon is.

TBH, if i were mafia, nem is the biggest threat, because he stops a kill entirely (if he actually IS a roleblocker for the town....)

[Passarelli]

I think we should lynch Wolf tomorrow if we don't get scum tonight. Keep him as our last resort kinda thing.

[phil.™]

I'm sorry, I am not familiar with hunter role. What will happen if we lynch wolf?

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

I'm sorry, I am not familiar with hunter role. What will happen if we lynch wolf?

he gets to target one person to kill.

[phil.™]

Which, will result in 2 kills at night, right?

[Passarelli]

I believe it is instant, so we would see Wolf get lynched and whoever Wolf decides to kill during the end day scene. However, as I already showed, lynching Wolf at this point would be a bad move, and we should save that option for tomorrow.

[kionay]

I believe it is instant, so we would see Wolf get lynched and whoever Wolf decides to kill during the end day scene. However, as I already showed, lynching Wolf at this point would be a bad move, and we should save that option for tomorrow.

wait, if two people remain at some point in this game(mafia wars), how does a lynch proceed?

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

I believe it is instant, so we would see Wolf get lynched and whoever Wolf decides to kill during the end day scene. However, as I already showed, lynching Wolf at this point would be a bad move, and we should save that option for tomorrow.

pass, im sure.. out side of this game in diffrent parts of your life. People think your a decent guy who isnt completely full of themselves. That can be admirable i suppose but you need to understand somthing, mafia games aside... your opinion is not the almighty word of god. Peoples opinions may differ from you and you need to come to terms with that.

Lynching wolf at this point is a bad move for you, because YOU think it is. Not because you are gods messenger sent to inject opinion into us. other people may see it differently and you should respect that.

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for example, i dont think we should commit to it quickly but dont want to just brush the possibility under the rug.

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p.e. my frequent activity is a result of me stealing my neighbors wifi. If this connection continues to remain reliable, ill be active.

Comcast will fix there mess on Tuesday woot!

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if this connection isnt reliable, you may not see me tell monday. (i have wifi for my phone at work)

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im not actually stealing it, the connection isnt password protected so i am using it

[Nemesis]

I can confirm Mikey's Internet is shit.

Also. We don't want to out the goon. We want to keep him alive until the end.

[Passarelli]

Kionay, it doesn't. If there is one VT and one mafia left, the mafia wins as no consensuses for a lynch can be reached so when it would go to night, mafia would kill the VT.

Mikey, did you even read why I said it was a bad idea? You AGAIN decided to attack me personally rather then the logic i showed. I know you are trying to reform yourself, and for that you should be applauded, but when I post a plan and you completely ignore it and instead say, "...your opinion is not the almighty word of god"--well, that just shows how very far you have to go.

I'll say it again and try to clarify it for you.

If we look at this from an analytical point of view:

The assumptions I am using are:
There are 3 mafia

We have 9 people and it takes 5 to lynch.

If we lynch Wolf now and he shoots someone that is not mafia (and nem does not successfully block the kill) it is good game and mafia wins. What will happen is Mafia will kill me tonight so I can not tiebreak. There will be 6 people which takes 4 to lynch. We will be stuck with 2 townies, one 3rd party, and 3 mafia. Mafia (and 3rd party) wins.

If we lynch one of the claimed VTs (or Blade) tonight instead of Wolf, we will have 7 people. It still takes 4 to lynch. However, if Blade still aligns himself with town OR if I am still alive we can still lynch Wolf tomorrow.

Basically, if we lynch Wolf today and he misses mafia wins. If we lynch a VT today we can still lynch Wolf tomorrow to give him his shot.

[phil.™]

With that said, are we looking for a lynch vote?
I am utterly confused as what our game play is.

[Passarelli]

Nem, what if there are 3 mafia. 1 Godfather and 2 Goons. Couldn't either of the goons make the kill?

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Seriously, someone show me why we shouldn't wait until tomorrow to lynch Wolf. I really don't see the flaw in the logic.

The safe bet would be to lynch Blade since he said after today he would vote with Mafia and I am a prime target tonight so Mafia can end this sooner. However, I think we should really look at the VTs as they are the easiest roles to hide in and there are not many left that have not been investigated.

[Nemesis]

Pass, it all depends on what the mod decides. The right way to do it is one would always be designated as the killer, but we've already seen that things aren't being done the right way.

By allowing either of them to do it it would also make my role useless and again be shitty modding.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

Kionay, it doesn't. If there is one VT and one mafia left, the mafia wins as no consensuses for a lynch can be reached so when it would go to night, mafia would kill the VT.

Mikey, did you even read why I said it was a bad idea? You AGAIN decided to attack me personally rather then the logic i showed. I know you are trying to reform yourself, and for that you should be applauded, but when I post a plan and you completely ignore it and instead say, "...your opinion is not the almighty word of god"--well, that just shows how very far you have to go.

I'll say it again and try to clarify it for you.

If we look at this from an analytical point of view:

The assumptions I am using are:
There are 3 mafia

We have 9 people and it takes 5 to lynch.

If we lynch Wolf now and he shoots someone that is not mafia (and nem does not successfully block the kill) it is good game and mafia wins. What will happen is Mafia will kill me tonight so I can not tiebreak. There will be 6 people which takes 4 to lynch. We will be stuck with 2 townies, one 3rd party, and 3 mafia. Mafia (and 3rd party) wins.

If we lynch one of the claimed VTs (or Blade) tonight instead of Wolf, we will have 7 people. It still takes 4 to lynch. However, if Blade still aligns himself with town OR if I am still alive we can still lynch Wolf tomorrow.

Basically, if we lynch Wolf today and he misses mafia wins. If we lynch a VT today we can still lynch Wolf tomorrow to give him his shot.

i never said i didnt agree with what you said but that dosnt escape that fact that you are a pompous ass who acts like his shit dosnt stink. This whole game aside, you are a fucking dipshit. Your opinions dont automatically trump other peoples. Where you say "derp is logical derp to logically nuke north korea derp, to end all there BS derp" Another will say the opposite. You must be 10 years old to have not gathered the necessary knowledge to understand that not everyone is going to fucking agree with what you have to say.

end rant, back to mafia wars.

[Nemesis]

vote blade.

[phil.™]

Nem, why blade, why not wolf?

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

furthermore, you are not a prime target for tonight, you arent even confirmed. The biggest target tonight would be the cop or role blocker. If the mafia leaves a roleblocker on the town side, unchecked.. they could lose an entire night of killing. Furthermore, i doubt the mafia wants to be investigated this coming night either. You are at the botom of the food chain so you shouldnt be worrying about kicking the bucket after night phase.

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Nem, why blade, why not wolf?

id also like to know.

Why not phil, why not aco, why not anyone else who has been acting scummy as shit all game?

If blade is telling the truth, it may behoove us to keep him around and use wolf lynch another day to take him out for a win. He negates numbers balancing against our favor for a mafia win.

[Nemesis]

If wolf is killed at night he has no power yes? Will he last another day?

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

If wolf is killed at night he has no power yes? Will he last another day?

That depends. Ask yourself, if you were mafia and the win was just in reach, would you risk a role like wolfs being alive the next day to policy lynch a win?

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to my understanding, in regards to your first question, no, his ability dosnt work if he is killed at night.

[Passarelli]

Mikey, I am a confirmed double voter--my affiliation isn't confirmed however. You say I'm bad at this game, but if you didn't get that my role is confirmed--well, I think that speaks for itself. That is why I am a major target for mafia if and only if Wolf is lynched today and misses his shot as it would end the game and mafia would win.

I laid out a logical argument on day 1 as to why people shouldn't vote for Stan. What I had said was nearly prophetic.
I laid out a logical argument day 3 as to why people should vote for Phil or another un-investigated VT. People ignored it, and now we are where I said we would be yet again.
I laid out a 3rd logical argument today and it was entirely ignored again--except for you to call me out as being a pompous asshole. While I may indeed be a pompous asshole, at least I don't try to substitute rhetoric for logic. If the logic isn't flawed, that means it is true. I did not see any fallacies, and I specifically asked people to point them out.

I did not share an opinion. I shared a logical deductive argument. It would behoove you to look it up the difference. Had I used subjective logic you might have had a point. You should really try to learn how to use logic to find answers rather then basing your answers on emotion. That is how politicians play people.

Phil, look at my argument as to why we should not lynch Wolf today.

If Wolf is targeted tonight, then Kionay will have another investigation he can share tomorrow.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

personally, i suspect either yourself or kionay going this coming night. I dont think wolf will get touched.

[Passarelli]

Pass, it all depends on what the mod decides. The right way to do it is one would always be designated as the killer, but we've already seen that things aren't being done the right way.

By allowing either of them to do it it would also make my role useless and again be shitty modding.

Nem, the person who makes the kill is likely decided by mafia each night. If you were to block them, it would stop the kill. That is how I would mod it personally. Your role isn't useless anyway, as it makes a good protective role. This setup was not designed to have 100% protection on the cop (had a deputy, faith healer, and bodyguard). You could protect Wolf so he doesn't die at night, me if a double vote would give us an extra day, or even Kionay to try to stop the kill.

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personally, i suspect either yourself or kionay going this coming night. I dont think wolf will get touched.

I'm guessing you mean Nem getting targeted?

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

Mikey, I am a confirmed double voter--my affiliation isn't confirmed however. You say I'm bad at this game, but if you didn't get that my role is confirmed--well, I think that speaks for itself. That is why I am a major target for mafia if and only if Wolf is lynched today and misses his shot as it would end the game and mafia would win.

I laid out a logical argument on day 1 as to why people shouldn't vote for Stan. What I had said was nearly prophetic.
I laid out a logical argument day 3 as to why people should vote for Phil or another un-investigated VT. People ignored it, and now we are where I said we would be yet again.
I laid out a 3rd logical argument today and it was entirely ignored again--except for you to call me out as being a pompous asshole. While I may indeed be a pompous asshole, at least I don't try to substitute rhetoric for logic. If the logic isn't flawed, that means it is true. I did not see any fallacies, and I specifically asked people to point them out.

I did not share an opinion. I shared a logical deductive argument. It would behoove you to look it up the difference. Had I used subjective logic you might have had a point. You should really try to learn how to use logic to find answers rather then basing your answers on emotion. That is how politicians play people.

Phil, look at my argument as to why we should not lynch Wolf today.

If Wolf is targeted tonight, then Kionay will have another investigation he can share tomorrow.

no, no you are not confirmed. Becuase your alignment is NOT CONFIRMED! Even then, you being a DV is questionable because multiple people, including sin, voted on the same days you did (that are not dead AKA wolf) that means, wolf could be lying and you could be lying. At the end of the day, you are not 100% confirmed. Bottom line. Even if you were, your "opinion" dosnt carry any more fucking weight then an opinion from some one who isnt confirmed.

Im sorry if you are taking this personally and reflecting back into this game. My point is, you are a 10 year old child who dosnt understand that people will not always agree with what you say. It is a fact of life and am positive that once your 3rd grade teacher starts teaching new words, beyond the word "logic" it will take less time to respond to my posts! Hooray!


"logical" or not, i am asking you as a fucking person, to stop acting like your opinion trumps whatever anyone else has to say.

Furthermore, if you had the ability to read, which im sure you do... you would know and aknowledge that im not entierly for a wolf lynch today. But hey.. you dont read the thread it seems.

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Nem, the person who makes the kill is likely decided by mafia each night. If you were to block them, it would stop the kill. That is how I would mod it personally. Your role isn't useless anyway, as it makes a good protective role. This setup was not designed to have 100% protection on the cop (had a deputy, faith healer, and bodyguard). You could protect Wolf so he doesn't die at night, me if a double vote would give us an extra day, or even Kionay to try to stop the kill.

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I'm guessing you mean Nem getting targeted?

yourself = nem

[Passarelli]

Mikey, you fail at this game. Look at the voting record. It was between myself and Sin. We are the only people who voted day 2 that did not vote day 1. Sin has since been confirmed VT, so that leaves me. Hence my role is 100% confirmed. I already said my affiliation is not confirmed. I guess you didn't read that.

Again, what I said was not an opinion. You must not read my posts before raging.

If the last time you learned about logic was in 3rd grade (by the way, most people in 3rd grade are 9. Were you held back a year?) you should really look into it again.

I really do not even see where I said that any opinion (keep in mind, my logical argument is NOT an opinion) I had was better then anyone else's. Sure, I may have argued for it, or even belittled the other person--hey, that is what you have been doing to me--but that is what people naturally do to further their opinions.

Finally Mikey, how does where you stand on the Wolf Lynch issue have anything to do with what we are talking about? You jumped up my asshole like a faggot in heat for saying, "However, as I already showed, lynching Wolf at this point would be a bad move, and we should save that option for tomorrow." That was an entirely acceptable thing to say as no one had even voiced descent, let alone point out a fallacy in my argument. Please, tell me who's opinion I was belittling? Oh, noone's? You've just been spewing shit out of your mouth this whole time? Oh, okay, cool.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

Mikey, you fail at this game. Look at the voting record. It was between myself and Sin. We are the only people who voted day 2 that did not vote day 1. Sin has since been confirmed VT, so that leaves me. Hence my role is 100% confirmed. I already said my affiliation is not confirmed. I guess you didn't read that.

Again, what I said was not an opinion. You must not read my posts before raging.

If the last time you learned about logic was in 3rd grade (by the way, most people in 3rd grade are 9. Were you held back a year?) you should really look into it again.

I really do not even see where I said that any opinion (keep in mind, my logical argument is NOT an opinion) I had was better then anyone else's. Sure, I may have argued for it, or even belittled the other person--hey, that is what you have been doing to me--but that is what people naturally do to further their opinions.

Finally Mikey, how does where you stand on the Wolf Lynch issue have anything to do with what we are talking about? You jumped up my asshole like a faggot in heat for saying, "However, as I already showed, lynching Wolf at this point would be a bad move, and we should save that option for tomorrow." That was an entirely acceptable thing to say as no one had even voiced descent, let alone point out a fallacy in my argument. Please, tell me who's opinion I was belittling? Oh, noone's? You've just been spewing shit out of your mouth this whole time? Oh, okay, cool.

No, that sentence implies that no matter what, you are right and anyone who dosnt agree is a fucking scum bag. It is what adults call a loaded sentence.

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i fail at this game? Says the guy who is playing for his first time. All i want you to understand is that, what you say is opinion and not everyone is going to agree with you. Unless you have evidence to support a statement, it is opinion "logical" or not.

[Passarelli]

No, it is saying that I had already posted an argument that shows there is no good reason to vote wolf today.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

and yes... almighty dense one, part of my insult was suggesting that you failed a grade in elementary.

*facepalms*

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how does this sound, you suggest plans of action without seeming like your pushing agenda. It will make you look less scummy and i wont be so aggravated by you.
Lets whip out that Iq of rock+ and move on.

As i have stated many times before in regards to your loaded opinion, i wouldnt rush a lynch on wolf now but i also wouldn't brush it under the table.

Being the wolf has alot more experience playing this game then you, im going to trust he comes back with something to say that clarifies his reasoning for being lynched today.

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being that* wolf*

[Passarelli]

Unless you have evidence to support a statement, it is opinion "logical" or not.

Since you didn't look up the difference:


Deductive reasoning, also deductive logic or logical deduction or, informally, "top-down" logic, is the process of reasoning from one or more general statements (premises) to reach a logically certain conclusion.
Deductive reasoning links premises with conclusions. If all premises are true, the terms are clear, and the rules of deductive logic are followed, then the conclusion reached is necessarily true.


In general, an opinion is a judgment, viewpoint, or statement about matters commonly considered to be subjective, i.e. based on that which is less than absolutely certain, and is the result of emotion or interpretation of facts.

The only assumption I made in my argument is that there are 3 mafia. If you feel that is subjective enough to call a deductive argument an 'opinion'--well, I guess I apologize.

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and yes... almighty dense one, part of my insult was suggesting that you failed a grade in elementary.

By the way, I love how you play off your mistake. ^_^

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

Since you didn't look up the difference:



The only assumption I made in my argument is that there are 3 mafia. If you feel that is subjective enough to call a deductive argument an 'opinion'--well, I guess I apologize.

your problem is that you fail to understand how this game works in relation to how confirmation within this game works. For all we know, wolf could be jester or afa bomb or any other role that wins via a lynch.
With the above said, what you presented, Subjective logic.

Your logic is based of the premis that wolf isnt lying, when in fact he could easily be lying about his role. This is the point i was trying to make. But.. you happen to be an arrogant bastard.

now, back to the game, enough school ground bullshit.

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no, not playing off a mistake dumbass. You simply lack the nessecary braincells to distinguish a clever insult vs someone being lesser then you. Perhaps i send a drone to your house to pop that inflated ego balloon above your head.

[Passarelli]

no, not playing off a mistake dumbass. You simply lack the nessecary braincells to distinguish a clever insult vs someone being lesser then you. Perhaps i send a drone to your house to pop that inflated ego balloon above your head.

Still playing it off and you added a physical threat! Good for you. Such a big strong man on the internet.


Nem, the person who makes the kill is likely decided by mafia each night. If you were to block them, it would stop the kill. That is how I would mod it personally. Your role isn't useless anyway, as it makes a good protective role. This setup was not designed to have 100% protection on the cop (had a deputy, faith healer, and bodyguard). You could protect Wolf so he doesn't die at night, me if a double vote would give us an extra day, or even Kionay to try to stop the kill.

Nem, after looking through the rules and such, I can't find where a jailkeeper could possibly roleblock a mafia and stop the faction kill.


The Mafia can, as a faction, kill one player at Night.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

Still playing it off and you added a physical threat! Good for you. Such a big strong man on the internet.



Nem, after looking through the rules and such, I can't find where a jailkeeper could possibly roleblock a mafia and stop the faction kill.


sigh, your stupidity is tiring. No, a threat is something i say i will in fact do. Perhaps, you missed the word perhaps at the beginning of that sentence.

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and yes, a roleblocker/jailer can stop a mafia kill. lets say mafia is goon + God Father + roleblocker. Typically, both the god father and the goon have kill abilities. However, only one kill can be made at night. If nem blocks the person making the kill, he blocks the kill.

Again this is assuming nem is actually a town aligned roleblocker.

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and given that every single night, kion made an investigation and mafia made a kill, nems claim is questionable. However, im less concerned with his alignment as he is most likley telling the truth, even if he appears to be withholding information....

[Passarelli]

sigh, your stupidity is tiring. No, a threat is something i say i will in fact do. Perhaps, you missed the word perhaps at the beginning of that sentence.

Threat - a statement of an intention to inflict pain, injury, damage, or other hostile action on someone in retribution for something done or not done.

Perhaps - used to express uncertainty or possibility. Used when one does not wish to be too definite or assertive in the expression of an opinion.

Saying perhaps before a threat doesn't negate the threat, simply showing that it may or may not happen.

Saying perhaps before a threat is redundant, as a threat doesn't equate the action and is itself simply voicing the intent.

Also, since we are still going with this:

[QUOTE=DJ_MikeyRevile;181039]your problem is that you fail to understand how this game works in relation to how confirmation within this game works. For all we know, wolf could be jester or afa bomb or any other role that wins via a lynch.
With the above said, what you presented, Subjective logic.


I don't see how if you change Wolf from Hunter to a jester or a bomb would make it a good idea to lynch him, which makes what you said a moot point. The only way your argument about "wolf could be lying" that would damage my argument is if you think he is Scum. That is the only way it'd be a good idea at this point to lynch him today.

I guess if you get down to it, it is subjective. Sorry about that. If you still think that Wolf is anything BUT a town aligned Hunter, then you might want to go back through the Cyber Fiasco.

By the way, I'm curious now. Was it kindergarten you were held back from? I could see where you could have some issues getting along with other children.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

[QUOTE=DJ_MikeyRevile;181043]sigh, your stupidity is tiring. No, a threat is something i say i will in fact do. Perhaps, you missed the word perhaps at the beginning of that sentence.

Threat - a statement of an intention to inflict pain, injury, damage, or other hostile action on someone in retribution for something done or not done.

Perhaps - used to express uncertainty or possibility. Used when one does not wish to be too definite or assertive in the expression of an opinion.

Saying perhaps before a threat doesn't negate the threat, simply showing that it may or may not happen.

Saying perhaps before a threat is redundant, as a threat doesn't equate the action and is itself simply voicing the intent.

Also, since we are still going with this:



I don't see how if you change Wolf from Hunter to a jester or a bomb would make it a good idea to lynch him, which makes what you said a moot point. The only way your argument about "wolf could be lying" that would damage my argument is if you think he is Scum. That is the only way it'd be a good idea at this point to lynch him today.

I guess if you get down to it, it is subjective. Sorry about that. If you still think that Wolf is anything BUT a town aligned Hunter, then you might want to go back through the Cyber Fiasco.

By the way, I'm curious now. Was it kindergarten you were held back from? I could see where you could have some issues getting along with other children.

Opps caught me, PERHAPS i apologize for threatening your ego balloon.


and again, my point isnt moot because you keep fighting that your "logic" is based off wolf being the role he claims to be. The reason i brought that up was to prove you wrong in regards to your "logic."
Again, since it is appearant that you lack the ability to read past posts, i have been reiterating that i do not think we should rush a vote on wolf and also not to completely forget that this option is there for us.

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p.s. apart from everything else you cant seem to do rioght.. you add to the list with "inability to quote another on forums"

[Passarelli]

Says the guy who doesn't think I'm a double voter. Hilarious.

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Sorry, I noticed when it went up. The /quote got deleted when I was formatting. Can't edit to fix it.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

Says the guy who doesn't think I'm a double voter. Hilarious.

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Sorry, I noticed when it went up. The /quote got deleted when I was formatting. Can't edit to fix it.

i never said i did not think you were a double voter. perhaps you let your emotion take the bench for a few and refresh a few pages back.

ASside from that, i get emails of every post and you sir, edited your post with a quote from me.

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correction, you edited much more then a quote, but everything bellow it as well.

[Passarelli]

Uuuuh, please paste this info (post number) so it can be confirmed. I haven't edited any posts here on purpose and would love to see where I fucked up.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

[QUOTE=DJ_MikeyRevile;181043]sigh, your stupidity is tiring. No, a threat is something i say i will in fact do. Perhaps, you missed the word perhaps at the beginning of that sentence.

Threat - a statement of an intention to inflict pain, injury, damage, or other hostile action on someone in retribution for something done or not done.

Perhaps - used to express uncertainty or possibility. Used when one does not wish to be too definite or assertive in the expression of an opinion.

Saying perhaps before a threat doesn't negate the threat, simply showing that it may or may not happen.

Saying perhaps before a threat is redundant, as a threat doesn't equate the action and is itself simply voicing the intent.

Also, since we are still going with this:



I don't see how if you change Wolf from Hunter to a jester or a bomb would make it a good idea to lynch him, which makes what you said a moot point. The only way your argument about "wolf could be lying" that would damage my argument is if you think he is Scum. That is the only way it'd be a good idea at this point to lynch him today.

I guess if you get down to it, it is subjective. Sorry about that. If you still think that Wolf is anything BUT a town aligned Hunter, then you might want to go back through the Cyber Fiasco.

By the way, I'm curious now. Was it kindergarten you were held back from? I could see where you could have some issues getting along with other children.

This post, my internet takes about 2 min to load each page. Everything from the sucsessful quote and below was new upon refresh.

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as i have stated in a previous post, my coax in the wall is fried and wont be fixed tell Tuesday, so im connected to some non password connection in my apartment. it is very slow and unreliable.
Nem can confirm as he is a frequent member to my hosted mumble, he as already confirmed my situation.

[Passarelli]

I went ahead and asked Cyber to check and verify that post wasn't edited.

I'm pretty sure that is just your interwebs being wonky. If I did edit that post, it was likely just a mistake when I clicked go advanced.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

anyways, it would be ideal to go into the night with all the fire power we have (assuming we dont lynch wolf today) so this would include Nem, Kionay, and wolf.

Our possible lynch targets (not including wolf) are phil, aco, myself, pass, blade, blackmage.

Being that nem can confirm that blackmage is in fact NOT the goon, id negate him from the list.

New list
Phil, Aco, Myself, Blade

Still assuming wolf should not be lynched and whom i think are scummy (blade is exempt from this list because at one point or another he will be lynched, our primary to my understanding is mafia killer roles.)

Phil and Aco

Being that aco hasnt done much of anything but pipe in vs phil swinging which ever way the wind blows, im still in favor of lynching phil.

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I went ahead and asked Cyber to check and verify that post wasn't edited.

I'm pretty sure that is just your interwebs being wonky. If I did edit that post, it was likely just a mistake when I clicked go advanced.

it is possible that my interwebs were being wonky but i still see it in its edited form.
I will however apologize if it is a mistake on my end due to my interwebz.

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better yet, here is an even more indepth brake down

Possible lycn targets
Aco, Phil, Blackmage, Nem, Blade, Myself, Wolf, Kionay, pass.

Kionay is more than likley cop

New list
Aco, Phil, Blackmage Nem, Blade, Myself, Wolf, Pass.

If nem is being honest about being jailer he is needed the following night.

new list
aco, Phil, Blackmage, Blade, Myself, Wolf, Pass.

If pass is being honest about being DV he is needed for the following day (this is a must)

New list
Aco, Phil, Blackmage, Blade, Myself, Wolf.

Nem has confirmed that blackmage is in fact not a mafia killer role.

New list
Aco, Phil, Blade, Myself, Wolf.

If blade is telling the truth about his role, he is not a threat to town yet and will be lynched regardless. (use it while you got it so to speak)

New List
Aco, Phil, Myself, Wolf.

If kionay is in fact the cop, i have been confirmed via investigation.

New List
Aco, Phil, Wolf.

If wolfs role is what he says it is, it may be wise to save it as a last resort, as suggested by pass.

New List
Aco, Phil.


So yea.. thats the breakdown on who i think should be lynched.

[Passarelli]

That is pretty much what I had said already. However, if there are 3 mafia (2 goons and a godfather) and any of them can make the kill (they decide differently each night), then the people Nem roleblocked are less likely but still not in the clear.

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Also, Nem roleblocked Aco night 1, so the only person left is Phil, depending on if you think that there is only 1 person that can kill on the scum's side.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

if that is the case then you should start crying bad modding.

No insult intended.. im being forealz.

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yes, typically mafia can only make one kill a night.. being that only one kill a night has happened all game... id put money on it being that case here.

I wouldnt rule out phil however.. as i have stated, his behaviour in D3 pretty much got him lynched until the sin train rolled in.

[Passarelli]

and yes, a roleblocker/jailer can stop a mafia kill. lets say mafia is goon + God Father + roleblocker. Typically, both the god father and the goon have kill abilities. However, only one kill can be made at night. If nem blocks the person making the kill, he blocks the kill.

I don't see how what I said is different from yours, other then making it less likely. Unless you mean the Godfather can only kill after the goon dies?

That still doesn't help if we have multiple goons, however.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

let me reiterate. Mafia will have a GF, which typically can make a kill. However, usally mafia has a goon which does the killing on behalf of the mafia. A kill cannot me made until the God father "signs off" on it. The rest of the mafia at that point our power roles or vannila goons who rise up in power as there highers are killed.

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in other words, A GF can kill but typically delegates the killing to the goon as to not be tracked by a tracker or another role that can incriminate the GF via a visit.

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also, the only time i have ever seen multiple goons, is in games that are 20+, games that tried to avoid all out role madness.

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the biggest takeaway is that typically, mafia can only kill one person a night via whoever the godfather orders to make the kill.

[Passarelli]

Yeah, but since there is no claimed tracker, he is free to do so. Also, if there were 2 goons, either of the goons could have done so. I still think it is between Aco and Phil personally. Phil could have made the kill night 1, then they switched to Aco once they found out Aco had already been blocked.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

sigh lol.. those goons in the 20+ games.. were vanilla. The had no purpose until some one in the mafia diead. Similar to how the deputy works with the cop dying.

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Yeah, but since there is no claimed tracker, he is free to do so. Also, if there were 2 goons, either of the goons could have done so. I still think it is between Aco and Phil personally. Phil could have made the kill night 1, then they switched to Aco once they found out Aco had already been blocked.

Yes, that is very likley.

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so pretty much, without counting wolf as a lynchyee yet, Phil or aco is the choice for me.

[CYBER]

[QUOTE=DJ_MikeyRevile;181043]sigh, your stupidity is tiring. No, a threat is something i say i will in fact do. Perhaps, you missed the word perhaps at the beginning of that sentence.

Threat - a statement of an intention to inflict pain, injury, damage, or other hostile action on someone in retribution for something done or not done.

Perhaps - used to express uncertainty or possibility. Used when one does not wish to be too definite or assertive in the expression of an opinion.

Saying perhaps before a threat doesn't negate the threat, simply showing that it may or may not happen.

Saying perhaps before a threat is redundant, as a threat doesn't equate the action and is itself simply voicing the intent.

Also, since we are still going with this:



I don't see how if you change Wolf from Hunter to a jester or a bomb would make it a good idea to lynch him, which makes what you said a moot point. The only way your argument about "wolf could be lying" that would damage my argument is if you think he is Scum. That is the only way it'd be a good idea at this point to lynch him today.

I guess if you get down to it, it is subjective. Sorry about that. If you still think that Wolf is anything BUT a town aligned Hunter, then you might want to go back through the Cyber Fiasco.

By the way, I'm curious now. Was it kindergarten you were held back from? I could see where you could have some issues getting along with other children.
I don't see this post as edited on my shit.


Sry I was asked to confirm or deny this post being edited. As far as I know, unless forums went full tard on me, it wasn't edited.

On a side note: fuck u all.

Cyber. Out.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

[QUOTE=Passarelli;181044]
I don't see this post as edited on my shit.


Sry I was asked to confirm or deny this post being edited. As far as I know, unless forums went full tard on me, it wasn't edited.

On a side note: fuck u all.

Cyber. Out.

Is it from an email?

My emails stopped around page 70.
Confirming via email is the only real 100% way.

Otherwise, its no biggie. I saw what i saw and hope that if any dishonesty is in the air, its understood that editing posts is a nono.

Apologize for any inconvenience.

[Passarelli]

Kionay, Nem, you guys think you got this? If so, we could go ahead and vote Blade to make sure there are enough town sided votes for tomorrow. If you want us to narrow it down, just let us know.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

problem with that is, if blade is telling the truth about his role, he dosnt want the mafia alive any more then we do. He is likley to ride along the current then to advocate anything anti town.
Im thinking of him as a fail safe, he keeps the mafia from winning if our numbers drop to a point that would otherwise make us lose and will vote against mafia when that time comes. Assuming maifa is still alive at that point.

[Passarelli]

Mikey, he is a mod of the thread and as such should be able to click the post for more information (at least on boards I was a mod on) and it should say when it was last edited. This is why I asked him ^_^

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Also Cyber, thank you for checking! <3

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

in other words, he is like you passs, only not town aligned. If there is 2 town left, 2 mafia left, plus blade, town dosnt lose until blade dies. If blade is actually a passive third party, he will stop a loss, where it would typically be called. Keeping blade alive adds to town fodder at night.

Our town fodder is, Nem, Kion, Pass, Blade, Wolf.

[Passarelli]

Mikey, Survivor can win with Mafia. As long as they are alive when mafia gains 50% of the votes or when town kills all the mafia, they win.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Survivor

Blade already said he would side with town for today, but after today, he would likely switch.

[CYBER]

for the record. there was an occurence before where stan edited a post and i couldnt see the "edited" status, even with mod powers, and there was no original post other than the one posted.

With stan's shit quoted before, it IS possible that pass edited a post within like 5 minutes, and it would be impossible to prove right now without Zero.
but zero has been informed of this, and i ask ppl to please watch the damn edit button and care what they are doing...

if mikey has an older email with a different quote, it's possible, i cannot confirm or deny this being what happened now, but like i said , AS FAR AS I KNow, it wasnt edited.

this is a rare occurence and could be a forum bug that has been reported.
so its rly ur call now.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

Mikey, he is a mod of the thread and as such should be able to click the post for more information (at least on boards I was a mod on) and it should say when it was last edited. This is why I asked him ^_^

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Also Cyber, thank you for checking! <3

from cyber
"AGC| Dj Mikey: if you edit a post in the time frame it would allow you to repost and have it connect to your original post
AGC| Dj Mikey: it dosnt show the "edited" stamp
AGC| Dj Mikey: i think its within 5 min
AGC| Dj Mikey: if you edit a post within 5 min, it dosnt show the edited stamp
AGC| Dj Mikey: we should contact zero about why our emails stop sending after awhile.
Cyber ibis.a: i have noticed this
Cyber ibis.a: before , u told me stan edited a post before he killed himself
Cyber ibis.a: i couldnt see the edit, even WITH mod powers, it just doesnt show... the only way is by email within 5 mins i gues.s.. but even then , i havent been receiving instant emails from threads anymore... unlike before
Cyber ibis.a: even tho i specfiicalyl have the setting for instant emails, AND im subscribed to the thread.... weird
AGC| Dj Mikey: thats why i think we should contact zero
AGC| Dj Mikey: i am as well
AGC| Dj Mikey: i know this is a shock
AGC| Dj Mikey: but i am a data monger, i like to have all edits and tacks covered
AGC| Dj Mikey: tracks
Cyber ibis.a: lol thing is, if i am IN the game, i would notice those bcos im actively refreshing like evrey 30s bcos i'd be itching to read shit...
Cyber ibis.a: but the fact that im out, i simply hover once evrey 5 pages...
Cyber ibis.a: this was sent to zero now:
Cyber ibis.a: Cyber ibis.a: i've seen occurences where someone edits a forum post within the first 5 mins or so... for some reason it DOESNT SHOW the tooltip "edited" stating that the post was edited...
Cyber ibis.a: this is a new thing, and for mafia purposes, it's annoying and even with mod powers i cant see the original unedited post... thoughts?
Cyber ibis.a: also... mikey and i no longer instant email msgs for subscribed threads. even tho i have the "instant msg" setting on, and im subscribed to that section... again. thoughts #2 ?
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This email thing is an issue, we should be receiving them for each and every post, however, it dosnt seem to work after X amount of posts.
Im not advocating for a mod kill because i cant prove it, im not trying to make a big deal of it.

For what its worth, i trust you and want you to know that we have contacted zero about edit confirmation for future games.

[Passarelli]

That's odd Cyber. Thanks for the heads up.

I'm 99% sure I didn't, but I will be extra careful in the future. I definitely wouldn't have done it on purpose for that post, and if I had, I would have fixed that horrible quote.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

That's odd Cyber. Thanks for the heads up.

I'm 99% sure I didn't, but I will be extra careful in the future. I definitely wouldn't have done it on purpose for that post, and if I had, I would have fixed that horrible quote.

you cant escape fucked up quotes... they are a plauge, as you can see... infecting every other person who quotes you after.

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my posting experience here speaks for itself.

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pass, i want you to know that the extent of my internet capabilities right now is now further then refreshing this forum.

With that said, i still think less of you as a person but appreciate your company for the better part of my day. Id be staring at my wall wondering what to do without interwebz.

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no further*

[Passarelli]

With that said, i still think less of you as a person...


Street goes both ways.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

Street goes both ways.

Im sorry, it appears to be a one way.

Now back to business.

Vote aco or phil

reasoning posted ect

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

Im sorry, it appears to be a one way.

Now back to business.

Vote aco or phil

reasoning posted ect


well im off to bed, for those of you just getting up to speed. At least for me 99% of my confrontation with pass was personal. The only parts not where in regards to wolf and what my thought on the matter where, along with my step by step on who i think we should lynch.

[SCRIBBLE]

here to confirm that if you do edit within the first 2.5 minutes it does not show the post as edited to anyone.

[phil.™]

Do you guys not sleep? Or do you guys have night shifts and sleep during the day?
Anywho, I'm not going to lie, I skipped through half of your guys walls of text, as it was bickering towards each other. I just read and focused when it came to lynch and names.

Key thing: pass, nobody is confirmed. I mean nobody. Nobody is safe, everyone is still a suspect. Including me, including you.
Mafia will target one of 3; nem, kion or wolf, most likely nem or kion.

I do agree with Mikey, either me or aco has to go next. Both claimed VT and both unconfirmed. It's up to everyone who they want to see go.
I don't want to sound scummier than I did D3, but I have tried giving ideas, I have tried weighing in to help town. Aco has not said much. I'll just leave it at that.

[Wolfenstinger]

Being the wolf has alot more experience playing this game then you, im going to trust he comes back with something to say that clarifies his reasoning for being lynched today.

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being that* wolf*


Had a laugh at that... Sorry Mikey, as most of my "experience" comes from bullshitting shenanigans in hopes something works. This is one of those times, unless something comes up and skews my thought process at the moment. I'll be moving my vote towards whatever decision is made to lynch, so either make one or waste more time at this point I'd imagine. We're just voting in darkness until we have SOMETHING to go off of. We, as in Townies.

And to be honest, whether I die via lynch or at night, my power as hunter works. Clarifying it for anyone questioning it. The only downside I see at night is if I get cockblocked, as I'd imagine it doesn't work and I just die like a regular VT at that point. Which would suck.

[Nemesis]

Reading mafia scum it doesn't describe it like that wolf, it only sounds like a lynch thing.

Plus I don't really trust your judgement to do anything right, but that's just me.

[Wolfenstinger]

Says in the message I got that if I die at night or lynched it'll work so, i'm going off that.

And thanks for the vote of confidence Nemesis. :wtg:

[kionay]

i'm going to be unavailable most of today

father's day and such

i can be on late tonight

in the meantime, damn you people can post a whole lotta shit in a short amount of time :reddot:

[Passarelli]

Vote Aco

[acolyte_to_jippity]

vote phil

this shit has gotten old. not really sure why people suspect me. i hear a good plan, i go with it. i'm still confused why we only followed part of Sin's plan. the lynching him bit. there was a few more steps, i recall. who steered us away from those?

[What]

Vote count:

Wolfen: Wolfen
Nem: Blade
Pass: Aco
Aco: Phil

[phil.™]

Vote count:

Wolfen: Wolfen
Nem: Blade
Pass: Aco
Aco: Phil

See, we are all over the page even on our votes..
No communication.

[Passarelli]

this shit has gotten old. not really sure why people suspect me. i hear a good plan, i go with it. i'm still confused why we only followed part of Sin's plan. the lynching him bit. there was a few more steps, i recall. who steered us away from those?

I believe the next step was lynching Nem. However, I don't see and never did see why if Scribbles died, we lynch Nem.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

I believe the next step was lynching Nem. However, I don't see and never did see why if Scribbles died, we lynch Nem.

go back and read. It has to do with contradictions between nem and scribbles use of night powers leading up to D3. Along with speculation regarding there being 3 protective roles in the game, something that is very unlikely due to balance reasons.

[Nemesis]

There is no way I could be lying about my role. I would have had to guess at too many things for it to pay off that it jus wouldn't be feasible for anything else to me true.

I would have had to know that the mod wouldn't pm a VT if they got role blocked.
I would have to know who wa a VT before anyone claimed.
I would have had to know who the cop was to fake so I wouldn't target him.

Too many things to get right.

[phil.™]

There is no way I could be lying about my role. I would have had to guess at too many things for it to pay off that it jus wouldn't be feasible for anything else to me true.

I would have had to know that the mod wouldn't pm a VT if they got role blocked.
I would have to know who wa a VT before anyone claimed.
I would have had to know who the cop was to fake so I wouldn't target him.

Too many things to get right.

And i think this is why sin unvoted against nem Day3 as well.
Even though nem is unconfirmed, I feel is he clean.
Kion and nem i believe are clean. Everyone else... me included.

[kionay]

go back and read.

mind giving a start/end point/page? because fuck re-reading the other ~122 pages :-/

[phil.™]

I believe it was anywhere between 85-105 where we broke down situations and reasoning.
If i get done my morning paper work earlier than expected, I'll try and look for it.

[Passarelli]

It was because the flavor only seemed to point out that there was 1 physical protection so either Nem or Scribbles was lying (by Nem's own argument). I don't see that as being accurate though.

By that logic, we should be looking at Blackmage. That is who Nem said he roleblocked, and the flavor didn't say that he was protected but taken aside.

[Passarelli]

Will the other 5 people that haven't voted yet vote for someone or do something? This day is taking forever >.>

[Wolfenstinger]

So... we're at another standstill moment... aren't we? :axe: in the mean time.

[phil.™]

Will the other 5 people that haven't voted yet vote for someone or do something? This day is taking forever >.>

I really don't want to lynch blind, as we have NO clue who to even vote for.
I rather have a discussion with a plan who to lynch with reasoning, than lynch blind.

[Passarelli]

Then get some discussion going >_>


If we lynch Wolf now and he shoots someone that is not mafia (and nem does not successfully block the kill) it is good game and mafia wins. What will happen is Mafia will kill me tonight so I can not tiebreak. There will be 6 people which takes 4 to lynch. We will be stuck with 2 townies, one 3rd party, and 3 mafia. Mafia (and 3rd party) wins.

If we lynch one of the claimed VTs (or Blade) tonight instead of Wolf, we will have 7 people. It still takes 4 to lynch. However, if Blade still aligns himself with town OR if I am still alive we can still lynch Wolf tomorrow.

Basically, if we lynch Wolf today and he misses mafia wins. If we lynch a VT today we can still lynch Wolf tomorrow to give him his shot.

So unless you take issue with that reasoning, we should wait to lynch Wolf tomorrow. At this point, it comes down to who you think is lying. The most likely culprits in my opinion are the claimed VTs. Aco + Blackmage have each been roleblocked once by Nem. Mikey has been cleared by Kionay. That leaves Phil that has not been cleared/roleblocked. My vote is on Aco at the moment, as I see it as likely that there are 2 goons. I would happily switch my vote to Phil or even Blackmage.

[phil.™]

If that is the case, then bm would be a better vote. Bm has been rather quiet compared to last game.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

If that is the case, then bm would be a better vote. Bm has been rather quiet compared to last game.

perhaps becasue playing as VT is fucking BORRRRRRRINGGGGGG.

I have already illustrated my choices and would like the gold fish to re-read it. If there is one thing i can 100% with out a doubt take away from this game.. its that the attention span of most of the people playing is.. close to non existent.

:o

Refer back to sins "Fishier and Fishier" post.

[Blackmage]

Writing a post, there's just not much to say. No one agrees on anything, our arguments go in circles, and then when we choose something to do, we never are able to follow through.

Between that, being ignored when I try to start conversations and just plain cases of "damned if I do, damned if I don't", how am I supposed to input?

[phil.™]

Who did nem roleblock, in sequential order?
Aco night one. Night 2? Night 3?

[Wolfenstinger]

Who did nem roleblock, in sequential order?
Aco night one. Night 2? Night 3?

Aco night one. You night 2. Black Mage night 3. :smirk:

[phil.™]

?
Not me night 2?

Sorry, I would go back and check it myself, but I am on my phone at a bar, finished watching the USA game.
Won't be on a computer for another 2 hours to check myself.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

wasnt it scribble N2? Thus resulting in bretts death?

I dont think he ever shared who he used his supposed ability on in N2.

[Wolfenstinger]

It was Scribble Night 2. Just seeing what Phil would say.

[phil.™]

The reason I ask, if nem is godfather and aco is also mafia, he could have easily stated he role blocked aco (vt claimed) as an easy story. Saying he blocked scribbs night 2 is a bit ballsy.

I'm not saying nem is godfather, or aco is mafia, but they could be.
So my proposition, we lynch aco. If he is mafia, we did well and we can consider nem following day. This will and may give kion another day to investigate.
If aco comes as claimed VT, then we lynch me next day.

[Nemesis]

Aco, scrib, blackmage.

[Passarelli]

Phil, you have to remember that the only person claimed day 1 was Sin.

Also, if Aco is Mafia that doesn't mean Nem is also. If there are multiple scum that have access to the factional kill, the other scum could have killed someone. Then after they saw Aco was roleblocked, they switched and now Aco would do the killing.

[phil.™]

Is anyone for my idea? Or should we just go for a blind lynch?
The reason why I don't want to target nem is because if he is indeed what he claims, and he has a good idea to help us win, then let's give him another night.

[Blackmage]

Phil: He did not claim to have jailed Scribs till after Scribs claimed to have done a useless heal. How is that ballsy?

Well, here's my thought process on who to vote for. Supposing all claims and actions are telling the truth.

Pass - We lose a double voter.
Blade - We don't hit a scum.
Nem - We lose our utility.
Kion - We're stupid.
Mikey - We're aiming for clear.
Phil - We lose nothing.
Aco - We lose nothing.
Wolf - we're using our shot early.
Me - We're not aiming for the n3 killer.

Here's what we gain if they are scum:

Pass: If he's scum, we need to kill scum today, or we lose
Blade: We killed a scum.
Nem: If he's godfather jailer, we kill the jailer. If he's just godfather, he's been playing out the moves of the jailer mafiaso.
Kion: We prove Nem right about our collective intelligence.
Mikey: We kill the Godfather.
Phil: We kill a scum.
Aco: We kill a scum and about the scum.
Wolf: We learn What is a crazy man.
Me: We kill a scum.

Supposing we're going for the killer from last night, and believe the clears didn't do it, there's blade, aco, phil, wolf and Pass. Pass can be neutralized by killing any scum tonight, and is a boon if he's not scum. Wolf being scum requires thinking wicked thoughts about What. If we're looking for information, I'd go for Aco. If we're looking at who I think is most scummy from that list of 5, I'd aim for Blade or Phil. If we're just looking for scum and are gambling, I'd go for Nem.

As for why I'm still looking at Nem, he keeps making strange claims and comments. He was convinced Scribs was lying because of this. (http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/12333-Supernatural-Mafia?p=180445#post180445) He stayed on Scribs till we lynched Sin.

Next I'll look at his posts as to why he can't be lying about his role. We have this post. (http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/12333-Supernatural-Mafia?p=181116#post181116) Point 1 is only valid if there IS a jailer. If there isn't, mod wouldn't PM anyone in any case. If there is a mafiaso jailer, you can either gamble, or, target the mafiaso who isn't doing anything. Could have had his target communicate if their was a confirmation or not, or, if he's playing out someone else's moves, have had the jailer target him, and have sure confirmation. Point 2 can be solved by naming a goon, or guessing. With the night information, you'd only have to avoid a few targets. If there is no jailer, you only really have to avoid the cop, because you can just claim no night message is sent to most other roles. Point 3 is only valid for the first time, which reads almost exactly like point 2. Day 3, he didn't say who he "jailed" till AFTER that player totally claimed his move. Day 4, the cop is already revealed. Too many things to get right? I see one or two things you need to get right, which can go down to nothing if you play it safe.

As an aside, you thought you DID know the first point. Remember, that's why you kept pushing Scribble as scum. Because he wasn't actually a power role and therefore didn't get a confirmation that he was blocked.

This (http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/12333-Supernatural-Mafia?p=180763#post180763) is the earlier version. Point 1: If you're scum, having a single ally who does know the show might help. If one of them has this role, it's easier. The flavour probably wouldn't be duplicated because, like Blade's, he was not always on the side of good. With that role, he was downright evil. Point 2, you're choosing a dual role in a only partially powered game, with at least one mentioned healer. Again, if you're playing someone else on your team, this is moot in any case. Point 3, See point 2 of the prior one.

A scum has to lie somewhere in the game. The earlier it happens, the safer the claim can be if it pays off. Yes, you have to gamble, but this was not a dangerous claim by any stretch of the imagination. Stealing a teammates claim while having a clear is far from dangerous. Knowing people think your play is scummy makes it more likely that you will be searched.

Heck, this is more a joke point, but he has suggested lynching himself here. (http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/12333-Supernatural-Mafia?p=180784#post180784) Scrib was Town, he doesn't think both of them would be town, ergo...

I don't like his claim, I don't like his play. His role has been almost useless for town, if it's really there, luckily it wasn't harmful. It's made himself seem indispensable for town without actually doing anything of use. Voted for the policy and was pushing to lynch our remaining healer.

[Passarelli]

wasnt it scribble N2? Thus resulting in bretts death?

Wait, Scribble stated he tried to protect Brett? If that is the case, Nem is definitely a role blocker of some kind and unless he is both godfather and role blocker, wouldn't that confirm him since Kionay investigated him?

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Phil: He did not claim to have jailed Scribs till after Scribs claimed to have done a useless heal. How is that ballsy?


Well, nevermind then. Reading the rest of your post, reply may be coming ^_^

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You do make quite the case. He could be Godfather playing out someone else's role. That is yet another reason Aco might be a good target.

That said, I still think Aco or Phil would be the safest bet. There is still a good chance in my mind that Nem is town. If he is, we can't lose our last chance to stop a kill. If we miss and don't hit scum tonight, he may want to try blocking the victim rather then the murderer. Depends on which is the safest bet. Any way we can save votes would be grand.

[phil.™]

It will either be me or aco. Can we agree on this?
Well shit, aco could be a true claimed Vt, and we are fucked again.

Anyone else, insight?