Constitutional Rights

[Meltdown]

It is a constitutional right for Americans to own firearms, not to protect themselves from terrorists.. but to allow the citizens to defend themselves from a tyrannical government. The reasoning behind these proposed bans is due to politicians blaming the item used to kill rather then holding the individual accountable. A criminal is a criminal, criminals break laws. Creating new laws will not prevent them from breaking them. If a deranged mentally ill person wants to kill people, he will do so. That will not change by outlawing firearms. You not only have your punch line facts wrong, you do not understand how a ban like this would effect this country. Police men and women to soldiers who swore an oath to protect our constitutional rights will not stand idly by while the government takes them away.

I leave you with this to think about...

If you hand wrote a nasty letter to your boss that resulted in you getting fired from your job, was it your fault or the pens?

This is where your wrong. but i guess you will never understand why.

U guys are being filled with information that ain't right, you just believe what u want to believe. I don't need to proof anything, hell i care if you guys shoot your own people. All i can tell we got it much and much better here in Europe.

[StarsMine]

.... again there are many places in europe more violent then the US. Violent crime... is not common in the US, just that the violent crime in the US commonly has guns.

[SCRIBBLE]

Violent crime... is not common in the US.

Are you sure you want to stand by that statement?

[Penis シ]

The 2011 arrest rate for violent crimes was 172.3 per 100,000 inhabitants; for property crime, the rate was 531.3 per 100,000 inhabitants.
By violent crime offense, the arrest rate for murder and non-negligent manslaughter was 3.5; forcible rape, 6.3; robbery, 34.5; and aggravated assault was 128.0 arrests per 100,000 inhabitants.

But it IS important that this does NOT include Assault 1, which is violent crimes not committed with a weapon that result in serious bodily injury. These crimes are much more numerous.

[Nemesis]

But it IS important that this does NOT include Assault 1, which is violent crimes not committed with a weapon that result in serious bodily injury. These crimes are much more numerous.

How do you guys classify your assaults? I know it's different from us. And what's the difference between assault and battery?

We have:
Assault
Assault Causing bodily harm
Assault with a weapon
Aggravated Assault

I think what qualifies as each is different here too. I know that a consensual fight doesn't count as assault but I think it's different for you guys.

[Penis シ]

Well Nem, my point was to say that by the numbers, it appears that we have less violent crime. But that's due to blatant statistic manipulation. I felt it was important to note that for that statistic; the one most often stacked against others in argument, the numbers don't mean what most would say they mean.

This allows for both Stars and Scribble to be right in their own ways. As far as gun violence goes, We have the most guns per capita and yet, we only have the 28th highest rate of gun related crime.

To address Mikey; Europe, as a whole continent certainly does have a higher gun crime rate than the U.S. But per 100,000, the U.S. stands higher. If we were to include our continent, I think we rank WAY higher in both ways.

My argument is not about statistics, though. It's about civil liberties. I believe that people should be able to buy all the rope they want. What they choose to do with it is of their own consequence.

[Nemesis]

Well Nem, my point was to say that by the numbers, it appears that we have less violent crime. But that's due to blatant statistic manipulation. I felt it was important to note that for that statistic; the one most often stacked against others in argument, the numbers don't mean what most would say they mean.

Oh my question had nothing to do with this thread, I'm just curious. Talking common sense gun control with Americans is like talking rocket surgery with retards; they're fucking retarded so don't waste your time.

[StarsMine]

Are you sure you want to stand by that statement?

compaired to other first world countries, yes. we were something like 14th for violent crime. first in gun violent crime, but violent crime as a hole is comperitivly not that common here as they are elsewhere.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

This is where your wrong. but i guess you will never understand why.

U guys are being filled with information that ain't right, you just believe what u want to believe. I don't need to proof anything, hell i care if you guys shoot your own people. All i can tell we got it much and much better here in Europe.

you are not even an american, nor do you line in america. So before you start spouting nonsense with your extremely hard to read shit poor english. Read our constitution. I understand that you feel all fire arms should be taken away but just because your to much of a sissy nanny to hold a fire arm, should not ruin it for the rest of my country. Stay involved with your own socialist affairs and leave the grown up world powers alone.

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you are not even an american, nor do you line in america. So before you start spouting nonsense with your extremely hard to read shit poor english. Read our constitution. I understand that you feel all fire arms should be taken away but just because your to much of a sissy nanny to hold a fire arm, should not ruin it for the rest of my country. Stay involved with your own socialist affairs and leave the grown up world powers alone.

P.S. you do realize Europe as a whole has a higher gun crime rate then america, right?


---------- Post added at 10:40 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:39 PM ----------

you are not even an american, nor do you liv
e in america. So before you start spouting nonsense with your extremely hard to read shit poor english. Read our constitution. I understand that you feel all fire arms should be taken away but just because your to much of a sissy nanny to hold a fire arm, should not ruin it for the rest of my country. Stay involved with your own socialist affairs and leave the grown up world powers alone.

P.S. you do realize Europe as a whole has a higher gun crime rate then america, right?

p.p.s. I apologize for the triplet post, the internet out here in Afghanistan where i am fighting to protect those rights you wish my country had never had for 200+ years, is shit poor slow.

[StarsMine]

no... US is number one for gun violence per capita in the first world.