Mafia Game: Donner Party 2: Don Harder

[What]

Who are you talking to Cyber? The stubborn train was BM's idea and yes has obvious problems hence my post about it, and my "logic" was based on you saying you didn't mind being lynched, which means you either gave up on the game, are VT, or scum. I was going to post that and vote for you before the train formed, but I was at work.

The "logic" is that the town has numbers. Even in the games where the town played terribly they still had a chance to win late in the game because of their numbers. A VT dying the first day is not ideal, but its not the end of the world like you are trying to make it seem. And even then, I'm not saying lynch a VT because you haven't claimed anything. Its a 50/50 VT or scum, based off of what you have said, which is not the worst odds.

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but its a nice attempt to put words into someone's mouth cyber.

[CYBER]

I said what I said about BM because it has consistently been true across multiple games. I don't know if I will survive the night and want the information out there for consideration. I was not advocating his lynch today, but for people to keep an eye on this as the game progresses, his reaction tells me he does not feel he can be cleared in the coming days, further indicating his likely anti-town position.

for the record i was typing my other post before i saw this.

I get it that he has that tell, hell most mafia/scum end up accidentally trying too hard to be helpful by giving out unsound ideas.

Assassin's been tryhard all day.
Rosie and zambi and scribble did not provide ANYTHING except the "cyber banter". Basically showing up in the thread and pointing fingers at Cyber because everyone's expecting that day 1 inside joke. This is their excuse to both being active, and inactive at the same time. Showing their presence but not actually progressing the conversation ever, because they wouldn't know what to say.


And then there's you.
You say BM giving you a reason to suspect him, i'll give you that one, but then you go around and vote ME of all people.
I'd be less bothered by that if i was acting scummy or shady or the likes, but I'm finding it borderline suspicious even more that you're saying i'm more than likely VT, that Blackmage's acting suspcicious (i'm seconding this, i'm stating what u're stating), and then resume to voting for "the VT". Because better we kill him than mafia.


This wagon makes no sense, has no grounds, and i'm just gonna ride it through.
If you lynch me, well, you will learn from that costly mistake, if you don't then we would learn who hesitated and who stepped down. So go ahead, stick to your Guns, but your logic makes no sense.

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Who are you talking to Cyber?

Was under the impression i was talking to u,
So just answer me this one question.
SAY that this "lets vote cyber for no reason" wagon started BEFORE you posted your "well cyber's most liely VT", would you STILL vote for me on the wagon after you thought I was VT because losing a VT isnt a big deal?

Or would you wait on another wagon that isn't a scapegoat lynch?
Just that answer would do.

[What]

As I originally said, your statement means, most likely, you are either scum or VT. That is a 50/50 shot. I am glad you see what I am saying about BM, especially due to his reaction.

unvote I'll give you that for now, but I am going to need more than your attempt to teach us all a lesson, which you have to see would make a fantastic gambit for a scum player. I am more than happy to discuss BM if others are willing, but people are impatient.

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And to your second post,

I don't think you are a VT, that's the first thing, if I was certain, I would withhold, but I am a firm believer and always have been, that deaths can give information, and VT's are expendable due to the numbers advantage of town. What we don't want is 5-6 people get wagoned and then claim, basically giving the mafia all the info they need, that was a big problem in some earlier games and solves nothing since again, scum can easily claim VT and who the hell will know until the are killed.

Again, its 50 50 for me, which aint terrible odds, its more than just one statement from you that had me vote for you

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Also, saying lynching you gives no info, isn't true, look at the discussion that has been done, there is plenty of nuggets for further investigation within there.

[CYBER]

As I originally said, your statement means, most likely, you are either scum or VT. That is a 50/50 shot. I am glad you see what I am saying about BM, especially due to his reaction.

unvote I'll give you that for now, but I am going to need more than your attempt to teach us all a lesson, which you have to see would make a fantastic gambit for a scum player. I am more than happy to discuss BM if others are willing, but people are impatient.

Im not gonna lie, I will need to look back at those BM posts for now because I was somewhat preoccupied with observing who's playing the "Cyber Banter" card to avoid talking.
But yes, in PREVIOUS games, even the ones that I modded, BM's slip usually lies in the nature of suggestions he makes. He'll help town regardless of what side he's own, scum or town, but it's the suggestions themselves that give away a "i need to keep an eye on you Mr Helpful" moreso that him actually BEING Mr Helpful.
The only time he's been able to get away with that is when someone else's being EXTREMELY scummy and pitted against him, such as scribble in the last mafia game when he was hiding his bomb ability.
Which is why I'm not seconding nor denying anything about blackmage's posts in THIS game, because BM's alliance is easier to observe standalone, not when pitted against another wagon option, which happens to be me at the moment.


and last comment about the VT lynch thing.
VT death when there's no other option and no source of information possible FOR THE GREATER GOOD, such as when a vig or cop has a shot at taking out someone with extremely high probability at night (>50% chance) so that townies can snowball the game off that.
but this early in the game, it doesn't work, but that's my opinion alone at the moment.

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Also, saying lynching you gives no info, isn't true, look at the discussion that has been done, there is plenty of nuggets for further investigation within there.

THAT is correct. Yes. Which is why i'm riding this wagon out, for the better or the worse. But I just wanted to point out how i feel about it, from my personal point of view.

[What]

It seems like you said two different things about your death giving the town information.

[Blackmage]

Please, tell me what's wrong with stubbornly lynching once we've chosen someone? Which claim should we let live? The Miller should die because he's claiming scum. Claiming VT is the most simple claim for scum. If we don't, we also shrink the pool of targets for scum. The RB is a wildcard in any situation. He has as much chance to hurt the town as help it, N1. The SK doesn't really care about him for at least a little, and the mafia probably would rather hit the rest of the PRs, since they can more effectively shut down the mafia. Plus, the scum can fake a "Roleblocked" and potentially waste up to 2 lynches. Also, it again helps the scum find the useful 2 PRs. The Cop, after he's outted, is already in an interesting situation. He MIGHT survive the night, if both sets of scum decide the other one will hit him. Supposing he aims at someone who doesn't just DIE (Natural Action Resolution says he'd get no result) he STILL can harm the town if he finds the miller. Supposing he's actually the cop, pretty much our best result is both scum teams shooting him.

Or, are you just trying to put words in my mouth?

However, I love that calling What on his Freudian slip is "defensive". SAYING WORDS IS PROBLEMATIC! What, you just did the normal "BM is being BM" which just kind of happens, sort of like dogpiling Cyber. There's no need to defend myself when there's no accusation.

Side note, I'm firmly on the side of using ALL of the town's weapons, and support Vigs shooting every night they can.

[Rosie]

To my defense I have voted 3 different people since the start of the game. You just happen to give us all more when you post Cyber. It is always a good play. You say too much when you say. If it is right or wrong is regardless. A train on Cyber, means people talk = good for town!

[Blackmage]

Forgot this

Ass (Pass)
BM
Blade
CYBER (Scrib, Rosie, Ass, Zambi)
zambi
Pass (Trig)
Rosie
SCRIB (Stars)
Stars
Trig
What (BM)

No Votes: Blade, Cyber, What

[What]

Yeah, my Freudian slip, its not like my forum name is a common English word or anything. Terrible reasoning from a terrible player, well done.

[Blackmage]

...Reasoning? My, aren't you self important.

but its a nice attempt to put words into someone's mouth What.