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[Oonyx]

Oonyx has now changed the main point as what he normally does so his actions are seemingly more innocent than the last...Pretty much all of Oonyx's posts have deviated away from the main point by saying things like his last post.

All of my posts include arguments about this main point and it's not that I've attempted to deviate - not at all. It's just that there are a plethora of arguments against the ridiculous ban you imposed to serve your own purpose or anger.

but I would know that you aren't that good enough to come looking for me there...

Ah yes, because your highness is so elite. Get real; it's not necessary to talk down to others just because you're an admin.

Remember the time when people just goto spectate to avoid zombie death. At the time there was no official ruling. This is what I feel this situation is where it's at. An action that we know is deemed wrong but no official ruling is set forth.

This is a rather false analogy. One has to go out of one's own way to avoid being "zombified" by going to spectate. On the other hand, when you join a server, the server itself places you into spectate mode. When you choose to spawn is your own prerogative.

[TheLittlestHobo]

All of my posts include arguments about this main point and it's not that I've attempted to deviate - not at all. It's just that there are a plethora of arguments against the ridiculous ban you imposed to serve your own purpose or anger.


Ah yes, because your highness is so elite. Get real; it's not necessary to talk down to others just because you're an admin.


This is a rather false analogy. One has to go out of one's own way to avoid being "zombified" by going to spectate. On the other hand, when you join a server, the server itself places you into spectate mode. When you choose to spawn is your own prerogative.

Again, you are straying away from the main point. Re-read the first post doofus...This isn't about the ban at all. This is about "ghosting" and using the !zspawn feature to spoil that person's hiding spot (if you didn't get my earlier posts...the main point of ghosting is so the person hiding or even barricaded does not have his/her position compromised because someone was speccing). Almost all of your posts are just rebuttals to my responses which does not directly or at all relate to abusing the !zspawn feature.

Holy, I was just using the spectating to avoid zombies thing as an example...or perhaps an analogy to get my point across, but it doesn't seem to be working especially with Oonyx's last post...

I feel the main issue will not be resolved and Oonyx is just dick measuring, at this point. Pretty much all of my posts are always to the main point, but he keeps responding to my itty bits just so he has something to say it seems like. (You can quote this useless paragraph, Oonyx, because I expect you to).

As well, to save you the effort of you browsing through pages where I have not said anything related, I will tell you. It's on page 3 where I say:

I can conclude that Oonyx is a sly little fucker who's been on the server long enough to know the rules and the basic "What is right and what is wrong" ideas. I am finished discussing this with you for now because I have to go for a while.

I, instead, will allow other people to come forth and express their opinions about it.

As for your last point. You are truly trying to be sly by responding to such a rhetorical question. And if you say that "It was a rhetorical question?", then you are indeed full of shit.

Good-bye for now.

P.S. I don't normally swear often in my posts but Oonyx deserves it. So I apologize for anyone being offended by my remarks (other than Oonyx)

Do we really need to get ZER0 here? Eventually, yes...for he is the final judge at the main issue at hand.

[Oonyx]

Hmm...let's see. 90% of the text in your first post is about the ban. Your 2nd post is almost entirely on that. Your 3rd post is entirely on the same topic, and so forth.

The ban was essentially an action based on a premise; to argue against the action is to argue against your premise. Perhaps because you now realize that the ban was based on spurious grounds, you want to focus merely on the premise. If you wanted a separate discussion thread on it, then you shouldn't have placed both topics into this one. But I see no problem with discussing both here, considering I have indeed discussed what I think about !zspawn.

My posts are not going to conform to arbitrary parameters set by you, particularly when you've shown a willingness to discuss something outside of those parameters.

[OMGBEARS]

My sentiment is that if he left the game, came back specifically to find someone hiding via spectate, then !zspawned to go to you, the ban was justified.

Joining mid-round and spectating someone then !zspawning to go to them is a very lame thing to do. Bannable? I'd certainly be pissed off it if happened to me, but I'd have to say not bannable unless compounded by other things. I know that if I joined a game mid-round and saw someone via spectate hiding I'd just act like I never saw them. Then again, I do that in several instances. For instance if the way I got to someone is through a virtually non-repeatable glitch I tend to just !ztele away or if I become a zombie in a group of people, same deal.

ZM maps are about surviving in any way you can; hiding is definitely one method. There are major drawbacks to hiding, too: you don't get kills and there's already a very high chance that you'll be found and die. I've gotten very good at tipping over vending machines for that very reason.

[TheLittlestHobo]

My sentiment is that if he left the game, came back specifically to find someone hiding via spectate, then !zspawned to go to you, the ban was justified.

Joining mid-round and spectating someone then !zspawning to go to them is a very lame thing to do.

It's relatively the same thing. You spec someone that's hiding and then you zspawn in (either reconnecting or joining midway).

I banned him because he had the INTENT to get me turned because of the last (supposed) 24 hour ban that I gave for him pre-nuking on ATIX. Then comes back later on when I'm hiding, spawns in, and sits on my head as if he is taunting me and decides to sit there until someone came and tag me. He could have tried to break other cades or get other people but he immediately spawned in and gunned for me...gee personal vendetta on me much?

It's a personal vendetta for me because he insults my intelligence on playing dumb based on the things he tells me as if he didn't know any better which I think someone who has been on the server for well over 6 months should know the basic premise on what is right and wrong...seems like he is just below pre-conventional stage of thinking.

I've already explained what I need to explain.

[Oonyx]

It's relatively the same thing. You spec someone that's hiding and then you zspawn in (either reconnecting or joining midway).

No, they're not. One allows you get around the fact you have died as a zombie. The other does not.

He could have tried to break other cades or get other people but he immediately spawned in and gunned for me...gee personal vendetta on me much?

I always go for the easiest target, which you happened to be.

seems like he is just below pre-conventional stage of thinking.

A failure to see that there are varying definitions of what is right and what is wrong, i.e. morality, is what I would I call a "pre-conventional stage of thinking."

[TheLittlestHobo]

No, they're not. One allows you get around the fact you have died as a zombie. The other does not.

I expected you to say that and not to see the main point because that's you.

I always go for the easiest target, which you happened to be.

That is true after ghosting through all human players and take the theoretically easiest target because people in hiding are easiest since you can now ghost these individuals.

A failure to see that there are varying definitions of what is right and what is wrong, i.e. morality, is what I would I call a "pre-conventional stage of thinking."

And morality is still in the form on what is right and wrong but more specific and more defined. I view it on the grand scheme of things and what I believe would be FAIR for everyone.

Although this has been fun entertaining myself to this topic and reading your now inferior responses made me grow bored of this and also having me to repeat myself countless of times.

I bid you a good day and will be seeing you on IBIS real soon. So be good. I have my close eye on you