Next time someone bitches about impalance

[Steamer]

I just wasted a few minutes of my life reading this shit. Time not spent well for the entertainment I expected, yet failed to receive. Thanks....

[LogaN]

i'll keep an eye out for you. you're on my shit list. good day

Thanks but i dont want more fans, go stalk someone else.

[CYBER]

Cyber angry. Cyber smash puny logan? ...

No but seriously, i havent banned someone for being a complete tard since i banned , well, 'tard'... Kid, dnt advertise for other servers.
This is our server, we run the show, u dnt like it ? Then gtfo... I love how u were idolizing a 'better' server that didnt have brains enough to survive the valve update.

Every fucking player that commented here is a veteran wcs player for YEARS, and they know the server balance more than u or your adopted decendants ever would. So fck off, and have a nice day.

@ brett if u ban this fucker before i do, we're gonna have a serious talk. -.- ...

I cant fucking wait to see logan in game, and go all out mother-fucking-vaga on his sorry ass, THEN we'll see if he still supports his claim for unrestricting all races... Spasm, wolf and masskid can prove my point too.

[Bane of Soldiers]

In the end, it amounts to a lot of whining about a rather easy, perhaps one of the most easiest, race to counter.


How many posts do we have that sound like this?

[LogaN]

Cyber angey. Cyber smash puny logan? ...

No but seriously, i havent banned someone for being a complete tard since i banned , well, 'tard'... Kid, dnt advertise for other servers.
This is our server, we run the show, u dnt like it ? Then gtfo... I love how u were idolizing a 'betwter' server that didnt have brains enough to survive the valve update.

Every fucking player that commented here is a veteran wcs player for YEARS, and they know the server balance more than u or your adobted decendants ever wod. So fck off, and have a nice day.

@ brett if u ban this fucker before i do, we're gonna have a serious talk. -.- ...

I cant fucking wait to see logan in gam, and go all out mother-fucking-vaga on his sorry ass, THEN we'll see if he still supports his claim for unrestricting all races... Spasm, wolf and masskid can proce my point too.

Wow ur so mature... First im 26 im not a kid.
Advertise? how can i advertise something that doesnt exist?...

"server that didnt have brains enough to survive the valve update. "

How do u know that? they could have other things to do they have wives and kids. They cant always run a cs server if they dont have time to.

And TeacherCreature has a section on one of the wcs forums with all his work so he clearly has brains to do it if he wants to.

U r so badass u r going to own me with an op race really skilled!

And why r u going to ban me? I did nothing wrong...

Btw i also have played the mod for years i started to play it in 1.6 and i bought source when it came out and started to play wcs. And ill play in GO when i find a good server.

[Erdenay]

Wich points? u r the ones failing at explaining why awp/auto are retricted and why do u say that both vagas arent op when they are retricted to one.
I already explained some of my points and some of my sugestions to acolyte_to_jippity wich was the only one that was nice and respectful.

I'm happy that you actually read my post! Oh. Wait.

oh i saw ur "points" i didnt read it before because i took a look at this and didnt read more:

Either I misunderstand your english due to bad grammar... Or you're not all that bright. Re-read what you've just wrote here.

I have 152hours of game play in this server in just a few months if that isnt enough im sorry cs isnt my life.

It's sad that 152 hours don't really teach you anything then. It would be enough for most people, but looking at your comments, seems like you haven't learn while playing those hours.

U shouldnt restrict to balance u should nerf/buff to balance.

Restricting to balance is absolutely fine for these reasons:
1) It's nearly impossible to have absolute balance just by nerfing/buffing all races and that would take much more effort than required.
2) Some races, such as vagabonds, work better when they're restricted - a server full of stuck vagabonds or a server full of molecules would not be fun for anyone.
3) Most of the restricted races are higher level races in a way to reward and give a sense of accomplishment.

Again if they r easy to counter why r they retricted doesnt make sense.

Read the posts above this. Vaga wars can already be quite annoying and there's no reason to extend that. Furthermore, playing a restricted race (we can take one of the vagas for example, because they seem to be your biggest problem) again shows that you've earned it through effort and blood and it reflects it.

LOL?!?! Since when Scout takes more skill? U can hit with a scout with no scope from miles away u can jump/run with it and hit someone easily, u cant do that with an awp.
Awp and auto are part of the game they shouldnt be retritcted...

Umm... Yes you can? It's a 1 shot (for the most part) kill with AWP (especially with extra damage) whereas with a scout you need to be much more precise (headshot) or risk being hit and dying. You can no scope with awp just as well as with scout. If you have a problem with not seeing these guns... Well, go play in our pub server or somewhere else. AWP on a WCS is over-powered and it makes it much more balanced when you don't have one.

So u want it to be a strategic game but u retrict awp and auto wich make part of the game and take part of the strategy... doesnt make sence. In tournaments those weapons arent retricted.

Because tournaments are not playing in WarCraft mod. AWP takes away some of the skill from the game, which is why it is not in our WCS server. There's not that much strategy in 1 hitting a person with AWP...

@brett friggin favre Didnt read ur post. U are in my "ignore list".

Trust me, this is not leaving a good impression and I'd suggest changing your manner of approach and discussion as this will lead you nowhere.

[LogaN]

I'm happy that you actually read my post! Oh. Wait.




Either I misunderstand your english due to bad grammar... Or you're not all that bright. Re-read what you've just wrote here.



It's sad that 152 hours don't really teach you anything then. It would be enough for most people, but looking at your comments, seems like you haven't learn while playing those hours.



Restricting to balance is absolutely fine for these reasons:
1) It's nearly impossible to have absolute balance just by nerfing/buffing all races and that would take much more effort than required.
2) Some races, such as vagabonds, work better when they're restricted - a server full of stuck vagabonds or a server full of molecules would not be fun for anyone.
3) Most of the restricted races are higher level races in a way to reward and give a sense of accomplishment.



Read the posts above this. Vaga wars can already be quite annoying and there's no reason to extend that. Furthermore, playing a restricted race (we can take one of the vagas for example, because they seem to be your biggest problem) again shows that you've earned it through effort and blood and it reflects it.



Umm... Yes you can? It's a 1 shot (for the most part) kill with AWP (especially with extra damage) whereas with a scout you need to be much more precise (headshot) or risk being hit and dying. You can no scope with awp just as well as with scout. If you have a problem with not seeing these guns... Well, go play in our pub server or somewhere else. AWP on a WCS is over-powered and it makes it much more balanced when you don't have one.



Because tournaments are not playing in WarCraft mod. AWP takes away some of the skill from the game, which is why it is not in our WCS server. There's not that much strategy in 1 hitting a person with AWP...



Trust me, this is not leaving a good impression and I'd suggest changing your manner of approach and discussion as this will lead you nowhere.

Thanks. U r the one of the few(only 2) that explained their points and didnt just say "Hey im and admin here we dont take sugetions go fuck yourself"

And with awp u cant hit someone from miles aways with no scope or while running or jumping like u can with scout i tested it many times u can do it like 1/100 but with scout u just need to aim and shoot...

"1) It's nearly impossible to have absolute balance just by nerfing/buffing all races and that would take much more effort than required."
Thats impossible but u can get near there. :P

"2) Some races, such as vagabonds, work better when they're restricted - a server full of stuck vagabonds or a server full of molecules would not be fun for anyone."
I know im not saying they should be completly unretricted but the number could be increased... One thing that could fix the stuck problem is to divide the ultimate in two(if possible)
like lace should stop it if u try to go invisible but should alow u use it to become visible. Other thing that would make them less op is to increase a little cooldown like 2/3 seconds to it.
Spider is another race that could have his ult cooldown increase to 2/3 secs they already have speed and long jump...

3) Most of the restricted races are higher level races in a way to reward and give a sense of accomplishment.

high? 300 isnt high(atleast for me) i had 3500+ in another server and i got 1000+ in one month...

Sry about my grammar, english aint my main language, but its good enough for u to understand most of it :P
And thanks again for ur reply.

[Erdenay]

Thanks. U r the one of the few(only 2) that explained their points and didnt just say "Hey im and admin here we dont take sugetions go fuck yourself"

Most of people are civilized here - but someone new (it doesn't matter that you played a few odd hundred hours in the server - you are new to the forums) comes in and then suddenly starts attacking the server, that sort of feedback could be seen a mile away. I'm not saying that they've responded the best way possible - but your approach antagonized the vast majority of people here.

And with awp u cant hit someone from miles aways with no scope or while running or jumping like u can with scout i tested it many times u can do it like 1/100 but with scout u just need to aim and shoot...

Not quite as well as with scout, but you can still no scope pretty well. People already complain (including you) about vaga's power - now imagine a vagabond with an AWP who would 1 hit everyone 90% of the time? Yeah, not exactly something that we need at all. AWP would add no new dimensions to the server - it would not give anything at all except more people complaining about how this is bad, that is bad, etc.

"1) It's nearly impossible to have absolute balance just by nerfing/buffing all races and that would take much more effort than required."
Thats impossible but u can get near there. :P

There's more than one way to approach that balance - and I think IBIS has done quite well with those regards. As of now, there are no game breaking races or skills and you can counter anything with more than one race, strategy or item. Some of it requires skill, yes, but vagabonds are not even the main nuisances in the server... Those would be jacks and humans.

"2) Some races, such as vagabonds, work better when they're restricted - a server full of stuck vagabonds or a server full of molecules would not be fun for anyone."
I know im not saying they should be completly unretricted but the number could be increased... One thing that could fix the stuck problem is to divide the ultimate in two(if possible)
like lace should stop it if u try to go invisible but should alow u use it to become visible. Other thing that would make them less op is to increase a little cooldown like 2/3 seconds to it.
Spider is another race that could have his ult cooldown increase to 2/3 secs they already have speed and long jump...

Why? What's the point of those races having higher limits? What exactly would that bring to the table?

That would be changing the whole point and the dynamics of the races - and I definitely don't see that happening. Barring few maps (such as port), vaga's are not OP at all - you just have to be smart about them. Don't just stand in open places - lure them into smaller places, use flashlight, buy a lace - and barring few exceptionally good vagabonds/vagalion, you will have no problems killing most of them.

If you think this spiderman is bad... You should have seen it before the nerf - it could get to the enemy spawn in most maps in 5 seconds. It has been nerfed plenty and it's fine as it is. If you would increase the cooldown for either of those 2 races, it would be game breaking - they would lose their one main advantage and they'd no longer even be good races.

3) Most of the restricted races are higher level races in a way to reward and give a sense of accomplishment.

high? 300 isnt high(atleast for me) i had 3500+ in another server and i got 1000+ in one month...

Most people don't play as much as you do and there's still quite a few people who haven't reached that. It is also interesting to see how they promise to rape everyone once they get vaga... And then learn it's not that easy.

Sry about my grammar, english aint my main language, but its good enough for u to understand most of it :P
And thanks again for ur reply.

All of that is fine - English is my 3rd language as well. As long as you don't act like all knowing and instead of attacking the server, start civilized discussions and suggestions, you will be fine and most people (barring few) will not act assholes. However, as far as your proposed changes for "balance," I honestly don't see any of them happening.

[LogaN]

attacking the server

I didnt attack the server if it sounded like that im sorry i just tried to point flaw and give sugetions... But i really disgree when someone says that they r balanced when only 3 races can counter them and they can if u see them if u dont u r dead. but the thing that annoys me is that with their ulti they get to u in seconds and u dont even hear footsteps i rather play against a race thats always 100% invisible but i can hear them than against a vaga -.-

Not quite as well as with scout, but you can still no scope pretty well. People already complain (including you) about vaga's power - now imagine a vagabond with an AWP who would 1 hit everyone 90% of the time? Yeah, not exactly something that we need at all. AWP would add no new dimensions to the server - it would not give anything at all except more people complaining about how this is bad, that is bad, etc.

Vagas are retricted to scout/knife or only knife even if awp wasnt restricted they couldnt buy it :P. And i think i would prefer a vaga with an awp but without their ulti than a vaga as they r now...

There's more than one way to approach that balance - and I think IBIS has done quite well with those regards. As of now, there are no game breaking races or skills and you can counter anything with more than one race, strategy or item. Some of it requires skill, yes, but vagabonds are not even the main nuisances in the server... Those would be jacks and humans.

I dont have problem with those... the only thing i dont like is the "new" bash that mess up ur aim -.-

Why? What's the point of those races having higher limits? What exactly would that bring to the table?

That would be changing the whole point and the dynamics of the races - and I definitely don't see that happening. Barring few maps (such as port), vaga's are not OP at all - you just have to be smart about them. Don't just stand in open places - lure them into smaller places, use flashlight, buy a lace - and barring few exceptionally good vagabonds/vagalion, you will have no problems killing most of them.

If you think this spiderman is bad... You should have seen it before the nerf - it could get to the enemy spawn in most maps in 5 seconds. It has been nerfed plenty and it's fine as it is. If you would increase the cooldown for either of those 2 races, it would be game breaking - they would lose their one main advantage and they'd no longer even be good races.

The problem is their mobility is alot higher than most of the other races if u dont want to nerf them atleast buff the others... they Already have high speed, low grav, invisiblity, stun, flickering why they need an ultimate that makes them go "around the world" in 3 seconds...
Someone that knows how to bhop just need speed and low grav to go "around the world" in 5 secs why would they need more?

However, as far as your proposed changes for "balance," I honestly don't see any of them happening.

Well i made a list with some but after reading ur post i deleted the ones about changing vagas and spider ulti but i still thing that their mobility is to high..


Tell me what u think about them:

Add the window that u get with blood mage telling u that u revived someone to other races that can ress instead of just text(So u can easily see it and do need to look at the chat).

Races that can revive ppl could get a small amount of xp when ppl revived by them get kills. This would make ppl level their ress skills first to help their team win the round.

Knife and head shot kill could give a xp bonus.

Drecrease the number of items u can buy to 1. Races should be good because their skill set is good not because u have good items.

Get a bonus exp if u plant/defuse/save hosties (teammates around u also get the bonus).

If the code that makes u unable to go past the maxed skill levels is hard to change u could add something like this, if u win a around with a maxed race and didnt die u would get like 100xp added to a bank then u could add it to anyother race u have.

If i remember anything else ill add more.

[B1ackOut]

But i really disgree when someone says that they r balanced when only 3 races can counter them and they can if u see them if u dont u r dead. but the thing that annoys me is that with their ulti they get to u in seconds and u dont even hear footsteps i rather play against a race thats always 100% invisible but i can hear them than against a vaga -.-

This is why we have laces. They will freeze the vaga when they get close to you and make it very easy to kill. The ultimate of the vaga races is what makes it a vaga race, it is supposed to be able to mess people up. Without that ultimate it is not a vaga. Also vaga ulti is not op as it makes a rather noticeable sound the closer they get to you. Someone who claims to be so skilled should have known that.

The problem is their mobility is alot higher than most of the other races if u dont want to nerf them atleast buff the others... they Already have high speed, low grav, invisiblity, stun, flickering why they need an ultimate that makes them go "around the world" in 3 seconds...
Someone that knows how to bhop just need speed and low grav to go "around the world" in 5 secs why would they need more?

Again this is the point of a Vaga race to be able to zip around the map at high speeds and invisible. The ultimate is easily counterable with a lace as they get frozen with only a knife out.

As for you list,
1) If you can not read chat then why should we add useless code?
2) This point as been brought up and denied I think.
3) No, this is a key feature of our wcs server, the ability to buff up your player has and will always be a part of the game.
4) We already do.
5) In a game based 100% on xp, why give away more xp than necessary to the killer, and why give xp and levels to a race you are not playing?