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[What]

It took you hours to learn that you can't just slay people?

[† ØblivioΩ †]

It took you hours to learn that you can't just slay people?

Vagaspammers aren't people, slaying them doesn't count. ; )

ZM is all the matters. I don't know why I bothered to stomach lvling up to Vaga. WCS is more like 4-12, but mostly always ends up with the same 4-6 dudes running in a circle trying to hunt stuck vagas. Everyone else quits after the vagas roll out to trolllolol the game to death. And with the reference to stuckness... There have been so many delayed games over stuck vagas, or the fact that 95% of people who play vaga ALWAYS /objective ignore. Not to mention they usually join the side that doesn't have objective and will stay in spectate till they can.

Not to mention they will team stack with the most skilled guys on the server. And the lovely fact when you got a veteran that can counter the vaga they ALWAYS move to spectate (or rage quit because their OP class isn't working) to save on stats, which happens way to frequently.

It is ever so slightly retarded... And highly overrated... Not to mention that it's the same map rotation (generally in favor of a vaga class with the spawn rush)
dolls, crackhouse, aztec, cbble, italy, xmas, dust, office (when people are sick of vaga spam and rtv nuke the server)

WCS makes people just straight up never want to come back. The ones that stick around are the ones with the advantage, why would you complain?

If it's already broke don't fix it. Just join ZM, the top players are good because of skill, not because of a class

[What]

Vaga bitching, don't leave home without it!

I'd be far more concerned about humans, molecules, nebulas, shadow hunters, jack, santa, and crypt lord. No but you're right, a race that's easily countered by the necklace of immunity is clearly the problem.

[† ØblivioΩ †]

it takes thought to counter races *gasp* who would've thunk it. Realize that every veteran on the server started off as a noob at one point and we have been through all the shit you're bitching about so you won't get any sympathy from any one

Vaga bitching, don't leave home without it!

I'd be far more concerned about humans, molecules, nebulas, shadow hunters, jack, santa, and crypt lord. No but you're right, a race that's easily countered by the necklace of immunity is clearly the problem.

Vaga is only countered with lace if it's not played correctly, I personally can avoid that "weakness" easily and pretty sure Kinta and several other players are also able to. How do you get stuck gentlemen? By turning invis near someone with lace, don't be near them during teleport, crisis averted. But clearly it's not a problem at all...

By making this list you are pointing out balance issues in several classes, and further proving my point of a broke gameplay of the WCS in GENERAL, which was my point, vagabond was just ONE COMMON example. But please, dismiss the core issue.

Humans? Meh. They got bash but you can teleport or use specials to escape. extra hp but not hard to handle. Teleport is limited.

Molecules? I never have an issue with them but apparently they are hard? They get stuck in place, you literally camp around a corner and throw a flashbang? Issue is only dodge. Flame pred can also get in his face with lace equip to nullify effectiveness.

Shadow hunter? Isnt that op. if you run in his face it's an issue but anti_ward solves that, and it cheaper than lace. Plus flame pred can lol that to pieces too

Jack? Depends on the person. Just a normal guy with an extra skip in his step. When you see one just keep your aim down, problem solved.

Santa? Yeah, annoying on certain maps. If it isn't wide air it's pretty useless. But he is still visible, and a good shot can still take him down.

Crypt Lord? Really? It's op? Okay... Sure... You can see him a mile away, and a lace solves locust issue.

Nebula? Extra dmg and cloud invsi with movement. However spraying in the direction of his muzzle flash will generally land a hit.

Funny thing is, it takes is a well placed shot from a vaga to put all these classes down. And he can do it from range and can avoid fights by being out of their reach in the sky (Which can avoid lace stuck issue, and running out the clock instead of objective, another point that was neglected however people just claim vaga bitching, not surprising, even though it's the rule to do objectives)

And another funny point, is that people claim counter-class yet still agree and prove the point that the way it is currently in place, it is easy to exploit to your advantage. You all are proving it by getting highly defensive instead of offering potential regulation to minimize exploiting. That's what you're supposed to do right? Analyze with critical thinking and deciding what can help everyone enjoy the server more, and not just the few who have high lvl classes to face/roll with *nudge nudge, wink wink*

Everyone knows a smart vaga can put down an entire team, and can be out of range of all their specials. I have been on crackhouse flying around rooftop just picking people off (which most other classes can't get to certain locations, yeah human teleport but it has long cool down and I always headshot the shit out of those sitting ducks when the first appear on roof)

And we all know a vaga can still kick ass with no-scope running through halls as well.

And again people claim vaga bitching. I enjoy the class... That's how I KNOW it's slightly more cheap, you guys do too, so don't pretend. And it is that reason it scares off other people. My whole point, is that cheap classes in particular is what keeps the server low populated.. Ergo, reinforces my point that ZM on average has an overall consistent gameplay that attracts most players because exploiting is limited and doesn't require leveling to get a fair shake at combat.

Again, you vagalovebirds are missing the point. When you use maps that gives an advantage to the class, it discourages other people to level because they can't get you (because they haven't leveled the classes to counter them) All the other classes you can see coming a mile away and is personally not an issue for me. So I am not bitching, I am pointing out a flaw you all clearly see for OTHER players, yet somehow have the balls to retort with such half-assery, and aggressive position that just further proves my point. It's weird logic if you ask me, blinded and stuck in the vaga love goggles I guess.

Now let's say they reduced how much exp it takes for a good majority for the earlier classes, and scale down other exp for others ahead slightly, that could encourage more intense gameplay. Or even increase the cooldown on vaga invisibility to around 2.5 seconds, the 0 cooldown is what makes it slightly op, done the right way you can escape or avoid any and every confrontation.

But then again we wouldn't want to even the playing field would we? And again, like I said, its the same few guys with the same maxed classes (myself included). That run around in circles scaring off a lot of people. I know this because I have done it before (And you guys probably have done it once or twice too)

So stop focusing like a typical fanboys would do and pay attention to the full scale of the criticism.

But you guys can resort to claiming everyone is just qqing. It's like the federal government... The system broke but we don't need to fix it! It works well "enough" for the people on the inside crowd and everyone else is just tough titties.

And again, you all proving my point that it does need to have a few tweeks. Considering in a lot of these maps you can teleport to a spawn under 15 seconds (which vaga players always qq about "are you allowed to ward your own spawn under 20 seconds???!!! I want to get freekillz plz!!")

I have been on cbble and got from t side to ct side in a bit under 10 seconds, taking pot shots at people changing class sets.

And again, please read and actually form a non bias constructive criticism on how to improve gameplay, or explain how that it is truly balanced scaling. Instead of just giving the typical response of: You just mad, we acknowledge the server is less popular but let's ignore the issue as to why!

It's funny, we all know that "vaga bitching" is a thing, so obviously it is just ONE of the classes that should be put under the microscope, in additon to test balancing on other classes listed.

Zombie Mod gets tweeked all the time for balancing. And rules are made for certain maps to improve gameplay, that is common practice. This is how you KNOW when someone is just being a fanboy for their cheap classes at that point when you auto declare "bitching"

I am sure all the players for CoD were "bitching" too about multiplayer scaling and zombie scaling. But hey, the developers actually took the time to take in the information and improved gameplay patch by patch.

What happened to the days of Ibis having critical thinkers? Did you all burn out? Our just been turned into run and gun rage mode internet bullies like CoD has? When I was admin we actually had a basic respect for people before resorting that the individual is just "bitching". Maybe the overall average level of users with higher education has dwindled, guess that also explains the limited vocabulary and going straight for the "bitching" card, that's the easy way out, not surprising either.

Ibis has lost so much respect since I have left, and I can see why. Seems like some leashes need to be reigned in before their head explodes from breathing, and thinking at the same time.

[What]

I stopped reading after "Human? Meh"

[† ØblivioΩ †]

Proved my point again. Stopped reading? Not surprised, quickly retreat when valid argument arises, and can no longer provide a valid argument in return. Even though you didn't have one in the first place...

Try to read it slowly and breath at the same time.

I know it's hard for you.

Especially to discuss on an intellectual level.

Bully = Fail

Stick to text messages, GG

[What]

Proved my point again. Stopped reading? Not surprised, quickly retreat when valid argument arises, and can no longer provide a valid argument in return. Even though you didn't have one in the first place...

Try to read it slowly and breath at the same time.

I know it's hard for you.

Especially to discuss on an intellectual level.

Stick to text messages, GG

Well, no. When someone begins a long winded soliloquy with an objectively ignorant or incorrect statement, there is no need to continue reading since there is no value in such a pursuit.

Why don't you take some time and find and read the dozens of other posts people have made about this topic. It gets old, and it is bitching what you are doing. The races are not all equal, there are differences among them. If you want to play orc and run around in the open you are gonna get killed a lot, and that isn't the mods fault. Everyone knows that human is the strongest and most op race in the mod, so dismissing it as not very good, you have already proven you not only have no idea what you are talking about, but that any "solution" you have is going to be just as terrible.

Perhaps you need to take a few moments and try and think how to play a mod. Maybe its not what you want to do, maybe you are terrible at adapting your strategy and would prefer to do the same thing round after round and complain how terrible and unbalanced the game is. That is on you, not anyone else or the mod.

Put some effort into life, you might be amazed at what you can accomplish, you may actually be able to overcome obstacles instead of complaining about them and wishing others would remove them for you.

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Vaga is only countered with lace if it's not played correctly, I personally can avoid that "weakness" easily and pretty sure Kinta and several other players are also able to. How do you get stuck gentlemen? By turning invis near someone with lace, don't be near them during teleport, crisis averted. But clearly it's not a problem at all...

By making this list you are pointing out balance issues in several classes, and further proving my point of a broke gameplay of the WCS in GENERAL, which was my point, vagabond was just ONE COMMON example. But please, dismiss the core issue.

Humans? Meh. They got bash but you can teleport or use specials to escape. extra hp but not hard to handle. Teleport is limited.

Molecules? I never have an issue with them but apparently they are hard? They get stuck in place, you literally camp around a corner and throw a flashbang? Issue is only dodge. Flame pred can also get in his face with lace equip to nullify effectiveness.

Shadow hunter? Isnt that op. if you run in his face it's an issue but anti_ward solves that, and it cheaper than lace. Plus flame pred can lol that to pieces too

Jack? Depends on the person. Just a normal guy with an extra skip in his step. When you see one just keep your aim down, problem solved.

Santa? Yeah, annoying on certain maps. If it isn't wide air it's pretty useless. But he is still visible, and a good shot can still take him down.

Crypt Lord? Really? It's op? Okay... Sure... You can see him a mile away, and a lace solves locust issue.

Nebula? Extra dmg and cloud invsi with movement. However spraying in the direction of his muzzle flash will generally land a hit.

Funny thing is, it takes is a well placed shot from a vaga to put all these classes down. And he can do it from range and can avoid fights by being out of their reach in the sky (Which can avoid lace stuck issue, and running out the clock instead of objective, another point that was neglected however people just claim vaga bitching, not surprising, even though it's the rule to do objectives)

And another funny point, is that people claim counter-class yet still agree and prove the point that the way it is currently in place, it is easy to exploit to your advantage. You all are proving it by getting highly defensive instead of offering potential regulation to minimize exploiting. That's what you're supposed to do right? Analyze with critical thinking and deciding what can help everyone enjoy the server more, and not just the few who have high lvl classes to face/roll with *nudge nudge, wink wink*

Everyone knows a smart vaga can put down an entire team, and can be out of range of all their specials. I have been on crackhouse flying around rooftop just picking people off (which most other classes can't get to certain locations, yeah human teleport but it has long cool down and I always headshot the shit out of those sitting ducks when the first appear on roof)

And we all know a vaga can still kick ass with no-scope running through halls as well.

And again people claim vaga bitching. I enjoy the class... That's how I KNOW it's slightly more cheap, you guys do too, so don't pretend. And it is that reason it scares off other people. My whole point, is that cheap classes in particular is what keeps the server low populated.. Ergo, reinforces my point that ZM on average has an overall consistent gameplay that attracts most players because exploiting is limited and doesn't require leveling to get a fair shake at combat.

Again, you vagalovebirds are missing the point. When you use maps that gives an advantage to the class, it discourages other people to level because they can't get you (because they haven't leveled the classes to counter them) All the other classes you can see coming a mile away and is personally not an issue for me. So I am not bitching, I am pointing out a flaw you all clearly see for OTHER players, yet somehow have the balls to retort with such half-assery, and aggressive position that just further proves my point. It's weird logic if you ask me, blinded and stuck in the vaga love goggles I guess.

Now let's say they reduced how much exp it takes for a good majority for the earlier classes, and scale down other exp for others ahead slightly, that could encourage more intense gameplay. Or even increase the cooldown on vaga invisibility to around 2.5 seconds, the 0 cooldown is what makes it slightly op, done the right way you can escape or avoid any and every confrontation.

But then again we wouldn't want to even the playing field would we? And again, like I said, its the same few guys with the same maxed classes (myself included). That run around in circles scaring off a lot of people. I know this because I have done it before (And you guys probably have done it once or twice too)

So stop focusing like a typical fanboys would do and pay attention to the full scale of the criticism.

But you guys can resort to claiming everyone is just qqing. It's like the federal government... The system broke but we don't need to fix it! It works well "enough" for the people on the inside crowd and everyone else is just tough titties.

And again, you all proving my point that it does need to have a few tweeks. Considering in a lot of these maps you can teleport to a spawn under 15 seconds (which vaga players always qq about "are you allowed to ward your own spawn under 20 seconds???!!! I want to get freekillz plz!!")

I have been on cbble and got from t side to ct side in a bit under 10 seconds, taking pot shots at people changing class sets.

And again, please read and actually form a non bias constructive criticism on how to improve gameplay, or explain how that it is truly balanced scaling. Instead of just giving the typical response of: You just mad, we acknowledge the server is less popular but let's ignore the issue as to why!

It's funny, we all know that "vaga bitching" is a thing, so obviously it is just ONE of the classes that should be put under the microscope, in additon to test balancing on other classes listed.

Zombie Mod gets tweeked all the time for balancing. And rules are made for certain maps to improve gameplay, that is common practice. This is how you KNOW when someone is just being a fanboy for their cheap classes at that point when you auto declare "bitching"

I am sure all the players for CoD were "bitching" too about multiplayer scaling and zombie scaling. But hey, the developers actually took the time to take in the information and improved gameplay patch by patch.

What happened to the days of Ibis having critical thinkers? Did you all burn out? Our just been turned into run and gun rage mode internet bullies like CoD has? When I was admin we actually had a basic respect for people before resorting that the individual is just "bitching". Maybe the overall average level of users with higher education has dwindled, guess that also explains the limited vocabulary and going straight for the "bitching" card, that's the easy way out, not surprising either.

Ibis has lost so much respect since I have left, and I can see why. Seems like some leashes need to be reigned in before their head explodes from breathing, and thinking at the same time.

very detailed, and agreed upon by many. i do enjoy attempting to kill a vega that knives. But not for an entire map. Tele's for scout vega's should be limited. and as for IBIS admins there are some very nice 1's. As for others
not so much and a few grammar nazi's that think they are better than you because you do not use correct punctuation. Like when did that become a thing, and when it did way to conform to
mainstream bullshit lmao. as for the few that do criticize others for incorrect punctuation and not spelling a complete word (even tho you do understand and comprehend what is being said). You are not
impressing anyone by saying oh you typed u instead of you. it just shows that your a picky asshole

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the proper grammer becomes a thing when we're unable to read what you post due to how fucked up it is. and no, it does not show that we are picky assholes, it shows that we want you to type like a regular fucking person, not some sort of side-drooling retard.

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the proper grammer becomes a thing when we're unable to read what you post due to how fucked up it is. and no, it does not show that we are picky assholes, it shows that we want you to type like a regular fucking person, not some sort of side-drooling retard.

lol ok then get an example of a mssg that fucked up? By the way I stated that in my original post. And please watch what you say about those who are not as gifted as most just saying.(have a heart) it is kinda offensive saying someone with mental incapabilities/shortcomings isnt a regular person.